Gruden's Camp- Blaine Gabbert

[micnificent28]

I am with you there. He gives me more confidence that he will be successfull in the NFL. You have to look past the athleticsm of Cam, and tell me which one is the better pocket passer.. because that is what win's in the NFL.

i think thats b.s. yes pocket passers win more because there are more of them. that doesn't mean one way is superior to the other.At any given time there are 4 starting mobile qbs in the league while the rest are pocket passers. you tell me who has the greater chance to reach the superbowl?

as for gabbert, love his mental but i'm not sold on his skill. if he can't threaten you down the field we might as well stick with clausen. yes he sounds good and knows where the ball should go but, on the field he just doesn't play like he sounds on the chalk board. How anyone can suggest we draft a guy that completed 15% of his downfield passes is beyond me.

[TheRealDeal]

i think thats b.s. yes pocket passers win more because there are more of them. that doesn't mean one way is superior to the other.At any given time there are 4 starting mobile qbs in the league while the rest are pocket passers. you tell me who has the greater chance to reach the superbowl?

as for gabbert, love his mental but i'm not sold on his skill. if he can't threaten you down the field we might as well stick with clausen. yes he sounds good and knows where the ball should go but, on the field he just doesn't play like he sounds on the chalk board. How anyone can suggest we draft a guy that completed 15% of his downfield passes is beyond me.

You have to consider the fact that there is only 4 starters because the rest aren't good enough to start and you need to be able to throw from the pocket to win.

Just saying

[micnificent28]

You have to consider the fact that there is only 4 starters because the rest aren't good enough to start and you need to be able to throw from the pocket to win.

Just saying

For once i think we agree. but, I think newton may be one one of the few who are good enuff to start. He is possibly one of the exceptions to the rule. Not saying he is but could be. To hold him to the standards of a pocket passer or label him as just a running qb is unfair. He might never throw 35 touchdowns in a season but, who cares as long as he wins?

Weather he does it from the pocket or with his legs all i care about are results. I think thats where alot of people are mislead when thinking stats are everything. Looking at vick and vince young's careers they don't have the best touchdown int ratio. That is due partly because the ratio is gear to gauge a "pocket passer". You can't hold a mobile qb tot he same standard because they play a diffrent kind of game. diffrent deminsions and diffrent strengths.

You have to open your mind to think outside of traditional standards. If you look at ther win loss ratio there careers don't look that bad.

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i think thats b.s. yes pocket passers win more because there are more of them. that doesn't mean one way is superior to the other.At any given time there are 4 starting mobile qbs in the league while the rest are pocket passers. you tell me who has the greater chance to reach the superbowl?

as for gabbert, love his mental but i'm not sold on his skill. if he can't threaten you down the field we might as well stick with clausen. yes he sounds good and knows where the ball should go but, on the field he just doesn't play like he sounds on the chalk board. How anyone can suggest we draft a guy that completed 15% of his downfield passes is beyond me.

To be fair, Gabbert simply didn't get the opportunities in the Missouz offense to throw down field.. that doesn't mean he can't, and certainly doesn't mean he can. However, he understands the timing aspect on the short/intermediate routes which count for 90% of NFL throws and has shown tremendous accuracy doing it. Yes, his throwing percentage is not ideal, in the Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy range, but the argument can also be made that Mizzou's WR's are downright atrocious. In the Nevada game only, I counted 7 drops by his receivers. Last season when he had Danario Alexander (a 7th rounder), his stats were much improved. None of Gabbert's WRs will sniff the NFL.

[Mr. Scot]

"Mobile QB' is not an antonym of "pocket passer". Plenty of pocket passers are also pocket mobile.

"Running QB" or "run-first QB" are the better terms for the style that's opposite of a pass-first quarterback..

[micnificent28]

"Mobile QB' is not an antonym of "pocket passer". Plenty of pocket passers are also pocket mobile.

"Running QB" or "run-first QB" are the better terms for the style that's opposite of a pass-first quarterback..

when i say mobile i mean able to threaten you with the run vick rodgers,big ben,young all included. I'm not even considering cam a "run first qb" that would be a unjust label. Mobile meaning making plays or exstending plays with there legs and arm second. I think you got newton confused with eric crouch or frazier kordell stewart or pat white.

I use mobile because newton is still looking to make the pass he doesn't come out like a running back or fullback looking to run first. thats a unfair term scot. How about i just say dual threat that sound better?

[TheRealDeal]

Cam was more of a runner than Pat White

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when i say mobile i mean able to threaten you with the run vick rodgers,big ben,young all included. I'm not even considering cam a "run first qb" that would be a unjust label. Mobile meaning making plays or exstending plays with there legs and arm second. I think you got newton confused with eric crouch or frazier kordell stewart or pat white.

I use mobile because newton is still looking to make the pass he doesn't come out like a running back or fullback looking to run first. thats a unfair term scot. How about i just say dual threat that sound better?

I think your perception of Cam is skewed. He is definately a run first QB coming out of college. He had 264 rushing attempts this season!!! Only 185 completions. You are trying to make the argument that he is not a scrambling, run-first QB? Mike Vick had 113 rushing attempts his senior year.. if Cam's not a run-first QB, then I don't know who is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016

He had 22 rushes against Alabama alone! And another 22 in the National Championship game. Everyone who thinks Cam will be running over and around defenses in the NFL are kidding yourselves.

[panthers55]

Good comments by Gruden. Gabbert did a good job staying composed. He should have thanked Gruden for the help and told him that is why he is going to the NFL to learn from guys like him how to be the best. Gruden really is one sarcastic guy. Not sure if any Qb would want to play for him very long.

[jayflip]

I'm surprised it took as long as it did for this Gabbert thread to turn into another Cam debate. For the record, I want Gabbert over the chosen one. Both scare the he'll out of me, but if we do go QB I'd rather us take the one with beautiful hair. We could sell Gabbert wigs and such. I'm not a Cam hater, but he has 14 active threads already about him, this one should be discussing Gabbert

[ncmonzta]

I think your perception of Cam is skewed. He is definately a run first QB coming out of college. He had 264 rushing attempts this season!!! Only 185 completions. You are trying to make the argument that he is not a scrambling, run-first QB? Mike Vick had 113 rushing attempts his senior year.. if Cam's not a run-first QB, then I don't know who is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016

He had 22 rushes against Alabama alone! And another 22 in the National Championship game. Everyone who thinks Cam will be running over and around defenses in the NFL are kidding yourselves.

skewed:icon_bs:. 280 passing attempts. 264 rushing attemts. Sounds like a true dual threat to me. 30 passing tds 20rushing 1td recieving 2854 yds Gabbert threw 475 attempts and only managed 16 tds with 9 ints 3186yds. carry on;)

[ncmonzta]

If we go want to go after Blaine we'd be better off with Mallet

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skewed:icon_bs:. 280 passing attempts. 264 rushing attemts. Sounds like a true dual threat to me. 30 passing tds 20rushing 1td recieving 2854 yds Gabbert threw 475 attempts and only managed 16 tds with 9 ints 3186yds. carry on;)

Where are they handing out these rose-colored glasses? I just showed where Cam Newton ran more times than Michael Vick and Vince Young combined in their senior season's, and you still try to argue that Cam Newton is not a run-first, scrambling QB. Unbelievable.

[Grammer]

guys i think that we can meet at a crossroad and say that both gabbert and newton are horrible