Sal Paolantonio says you can't be a phony infront of Rivera

[teeray]

I am the firm believer you can't change the true character of a person, go read the story of the Scorpion and the Turtle. Cam was a thief and a cheat and even Mayock has issues believing this kid will try to be elite.

Well then it is a good thing that you don't know his true character seeing as you don't know the kid. Otherwise I would think you were basing your assumptions off of media reports and what other people who don't know him say about him.

Hurney, JR, and Rivera has spent more time with him than any Yahoo reporter, Mike Mayock, Narwocki, or any of these guys.

Maybe at some point you can start to rely on the people who have first hand experience with the kid and stop listening to the people who don't know sh*t about him bc they have never spent more than 15 minutes with the kid.

[Davidson Deac II]

A lot of haters didn't watch Auburn

Watched three auburn games this past year. Maybe I am wrong, but I did see 11 offensive players, 11 defensive players, and 11 special teams players on the field.

They held Oregon to 8 points in the second half. Thats a huge accomplishment against a team that was averaging 49 points a game. Please tell me you don't think Cam won that game by himself.

Championships are a team accomplishment. Anyone who claims it as a individual accomplishment knows nothing about football.

[Udogg]

Watched three auburn games this past year. Maybe I am wrong, but I did see 11 offensive players, 11 defensive players, and 11 special teams players on the field.

Championships are a team accomplishment. Anyone who claims it as a individual accomplishment knows nothing about football.

If you watched more than 3 games then you would not be saying that. Especially the last half of the year. Also there is a reason star players are star players. Yes it's a team game, and everyone contributes but everyone doesn't contribute equally. To even say Auburn would have been in the National Championship game without Newton is crazy.

[teeray]

If you watched more than 3 games then you would not be saying that. Especially the last half of the year. Also there is a reason star players are star players. Yes it's a team game, and everyone contributes but everyone doesn't contribute equally. To even say Auburn would have been in the National Championship game without Newton is crazy.

Let me put it another way. If Cam Newton wasn't on Auburn they likely go 9-4 or 8-5.

[Millions]

Watched three auburn games this past year. Maybe I am wrong, but I did see 11 offensive players, 11 defensive players, and 11 special teams players on the field.

They held Oregon to 8 points in the second half. Thats a huge accomplishment against a team that was averaging 49 points a game. Please tell me you don't think Cam won that game by himself.

Championships are a team accomplishment. Anyone who claims it as a individual accomplishment knows nothing about football.

Let me repeat they don't get there or have the type of season they had without Young Cam on the team.

I just don't see how some of our fans can look at our offensive stats from last year and NOT be excited about Cam's natural talent and skill set :nonod: .

[Davidson Deac II]

Let me repeat they don't get there or have the type of season they had without Young Cam on the team.

I just don't see how some of our fans can look at our offensive stats from last year and NOT be excited about Cam's natural talent and skill set :nonod: .

They also don't get there without having a good defense, a good offensive line, and a decent special teams. The history of the NFL is filled with guys who have great natural ability, but fail at the pro level.

I am not a cam hater, and I hope he pans out, but to say he is great because his team won a national championship is ridiculous. I will get excited if and when he proves it at the pro level. Until then, he is just another guy who was great in college just like Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf.

[panthers55]

Of course football is a team sport and as such it takes a good offense, good defense and good special teams to win. But special talents do make a difference and always have. Newton didn't do it all by himself of course. But to say he shouldn't be acknowledged for his excelllent play is short-sighted as best. Just like a new coach can make a big difference often taking the same players that lost the year before turning them into winners. Great offense and defensive players can make a big difference as well.

I doubt anyone is saying Newton was the only reason that Auburn had a great season. But it has been pretty widely accepted that Newton certainly took what would have been an average team without him and made it better. Give him his due because he deserves it. He is like the BASF commercial. He didn't singlehandedly make Auburn a winner, he made Auburn a better team.

[Davidson Deac II]

If you watched more than 3 games then you would not be saying that. Especially the last half of the year. Also there is a reason star players are star players. Yes it's a team game, and everyone contributes but everyone doesn't contribute equally. To even say Auburn would have been in the National Championship game without Newton is crazy.

Since I didn't say that, I am not sure what you mean. Its unlikely that they would have been in the championship game without him. Its also unlikely they would have been in the championship game without a good defense and offensive line. And going back, its unlikely that Texas and USC would have been in the BCS game without Young and Leinart. But that hasn't meant much on the NFL level.

[Millions]

They also don't get there without having a good defense, a good offensive line, and a decent special teams. The history of the NFL is filled with guys who have great natural ability, but fail at the pro level.

I am not a cam hater, and I hope he pans out, but to say he is great because his team won a national championship is ridiculous. I will get excited if and when he proves it at the pro level. Until then, he is just another guy who was great in college just like Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf.

I give him and Nick Fairley a lot of credit for last seasons they carried there respective roles on both sides of the ball. I remember reading how Nick Saban and John Elway praised Cam for being a special player. Basically going as far as saying Auburn wouldn't have won 4 games without him.

Personally I think he'll be great because of his skill set actually seems like a legit dual threat QB. His will to win and being mentally tough just based on how he played last year with his back against the wall. After his name was pretty much dragged through the mud by the media I feel he could be a special QB.

[Davidson Deac II]

Of course football is a team sport and as such it takes a good offense, good defense and good special teams to win. But special talents do make a difference and always have. Newton didn't do it all by himself of course. But to say he shouldn't be acknowledged for his excelllent play is short-sighted as best. Just like a new coach can make a big difference often taking the same players that lost the year before turning them into winners. Great offense and defensive players can make a big difference as well.

I doubt anyone is saying Newton was the only reason that Auburn had a great season. But it has been pretty widely accepted that Newton certainly took what would have been an average team without him and made it better. Give him his due because he deserves it. He is like the BASF commercial. He didn't singlehandedly make Auburn a winner, he made Auburn a better team.

It seems that is exactly what they are saying.

Sure, I give him credit for a great college season. He deserves that credit. But team success at the college level does not mean he will have success at the NFL level. Never has, and never will.

[CatMan72]

It seems that is exactly what they are saying.

Sure, I give him credit for a great college season. He deserves that credit. But team success at the college level does not mean he will have success at the NFL level. Never has, and never will.

I never said he was the "only reason" but he was the most significant reason.

I also never said college success guarantees NFL success, the conversation started out with a question about whether or not Cam wants to be great and I asked what he has to do to this point beyond winning two championships and a Heisman to prove he wants to be great?

What did Bradford do to prove he wanted to be great beyond his accomplishments in college?

[CatMan72]

In other words, your accomplishments are the best evidence of your desire to be great.

[panthers55]

Since I didn't say that, I am not sure what you mean. Its unlikely that they would have been in the championship game without him. Its also unlikely they would have been in the championship game without a good defense and offensive line. And going back, its unlikely that Texas and USC would have been in the BCS game without Young and Leinart. But that hasn't meant much on the NFL level.

Why is it that players don't make it in the NFl?? Probably lots of reasons for sure but I think it distills down to three broad areas. One is opportunity, the second is desire, and the third is capable coaches who can get the best of each player. Of the three, the second and third seem most important. We know Newton has the desire, everyone can see that. The third is the biggest issue. Will Shula and Chud put him into a system for success, or put in a system and make him run it whether it is in his skill set or not? Look at Clausen. Last year we put in a system and told him to run it. It wasn't matched to his skill set and didn't help him through the bumpy areas. And he failed miserably. Young showed a lot of promise but in the end struggled because, IMO, he wasn't mentored and worked with being that Fisher is an old school guy. Some systems in the NFl are desired for quarterback success, others aren't. Frankly I never thought Fox's was very quarterback friendly. I don't have a clue about Chud's and Shula's at this point. But I do believe that Newton's success or failure will hinge as much or more on the coaches then it will on Newton's football IQ.

[thefuzz]

Wow.

I don't care about him being a phony, and I personally don't have a huge issue with the many other off field red flags from his college career.

What I do care about, is the Panthers are possibly taking a QB 1st overall in the NFL draft that has 1 year of D1 starts, and less than 300 total D1 passes to his name.

It's absolutely crazy to do so, but whatever, I will support him.