Newton: "The offense I ran at Auburn was NOT 'simple'.

[Peppers90 NC]

Let it go, no need to try to convince anyone not to draft him. He will be fine

[Zcustom]

How about this... let's reserve judgement on him until he's had the playbook, had some practice time, some real NFL coaching and some PLAYING TIME. Damn people, come on...

but, but, in this scenario I don't get to be right AND pompous :(

[Easyt65]

but, but, in this scenario I don't get to be right AND pompous :(

...or at least 'right'. You can still be 'pompous' if you wanna. :p

[Ruff]

If the Auburn offense is so simple, why couldn't anyone stop it?

[XClown1986]

If the Auburn offense is so simple, why couldn't anyone stop it?

In college you can depend on athletic ability to win games.

[Tarheels23]

get ur hand out my pocket

[KaseKlosed]

If he thinks running plays that were NUMBERED and consisted of looking for 1, maybe 2, WRs before pulling the ball down and running was/is not 'simple', wait until he cracks the cover of that new Panthers Playbook Rivera handed him just before the lockout resumed. :nonod:

The plays were progression plays, the play call verbiage was simple.....

please killyoself

[Millions]

In college you can depend on athletic ability to win games.

He beat teams with his arm AND legs.

[Ruff]

In college you can depend on athletic ability to win games.

Cam did use his athletic abilities to win games, but what you are saying is that only his athletic ability won games, which is in fact, not true.

If it were just him running, he would've been easy to stop. But, Cam made the right reads (even if it was just a zone-read and run), made the right throws, and made the right decisions.

Watch the Alabama game, after halftime, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[blackcatgrowl]

It's all relative. I could write a 900 page playbook and pile poo on top of poo, but that doesn't mean it's complicated.

Honestly, I can't believe a 900 page playbook wouldn't have significant repetition anyhow.

Hell... expecting our receivers to learn 100+ passing routes is sort of ridiculous.

And where is this "900-page" information coming from anyhow? I think this is just rumor and myth.

[Easyt65]

Cam did not have to read the defenses - check out the session Chucky had with Newton...scary. The fact is Newton has a lot of work to do. I'm not saing he can't do it. I am saying that the offense Cam ran was simplified to take most advantage of his strengths while limiting his inexperiences/weaknesses. The Panthers' offense IS a step up from the offense he ran at Auburn. Does anyone really believe that Carolina's offense is at the same level as that of Auburn's? Seriously? Its just a fact. He will improve. He will work kard. Whether he succeeds or not is up to him.

Jarrett pretty much had to learn the same playbook Cam did...and he couldn't / didn't do it. Do I think Newton is another Jarrett? No! As I said, success will be up to Newton, though. Statistically the odds are against Newton, but I hate friggin' statistics. You make your own fate, but the effort and decisions you make and those of the ones who directly have an impact on your career/life affects the outcome.

Again, let's wait and see how he does with some good coaching and develpment.

[rayzor]

the schemes were simple, but the offense was innovative. the offense killed teams because of the speed (defenses had no time to make personnel changes or react to the massive amount of formations and movements made before the quick snap). it was all about tempo and formations, not scheme.

the offense didn't react to what the defense was doing, because they were controlling the game. it was proactive instead of reactive. defense didn't control what the offense did. newton didn't have to read what the defense was doing because he didn't have to. immediately after the play, malzahn was getting the next play out to newton who got everyone to the line and then the ball snapped 4-5 seconds after everyone was lined up. defenses didn't even have much time to figure out where people were lined up, much less what to do with that.

think about what rivera wanted to do with the offense here. he wants the offense to control the game. if you think we aren't going to be using a lot of what malzahn and newton did at auburn along with the aggressive offense that chud already had planned, you are in for one pleasant surprise when it does happen.

chud and shula were part of the reason newton was drafted. they put together a presentation to rivera and hurney showing how they could incorporate what newton does with the offense they have planned (listen to the post pick presser rivera and hurney had after the #1 pick).

this offense may not be as complex as chud initially planned, but i guarantee you that it won't be something easy for defenses to handle. in those moments that plays do break down (and they will, it's inevitable for any team) then you have newton's ability to extend plays come about.

the more i think about it, the more i'm sure we are going to be seeing good things happen offensively.

[Ruff]

Honestly, I can't believe a 900 page playbook wouldn't have significant repetition anyhow.

Hell... expecting our receivers to learn 100+ passing routes is sort of ridiculous.

And where is this "900-page" information coming from anyhow? I think this is just rumor and myth.

It may be 900 pages, but, like you said, there is a lot of repetition in it. Not including pictures (which trust me, I'm doing a senior project in college right now, and pictures take up a huge amount of pages), and a summary telling each player what he should be doing (which could take up pages, as well.)

[rayzor]

Simple playcalling is a whole lot different than simple schemes, simple reads, and being labeled a "simple" offense altogether. I am not saying Malzahn's playbook wasn't somewhat "dumbed" down for Newton, but from what I have read the number system Auburn used for playcalling was to keep the offense moving fast & efficient moreso than Cam being unable to grasp the "lingo"

again, the playcalling wasn't dumbed down. gus malzahn's offense is based not on complex plays or schemes, but on being able to get the ball snapped quickly, not giving defenses time to figure out what they were doing and wearing them out because they have no time for substitutions.