Agent: Tutoring of Cam Newton could be done by Brett Favre

[TheRealDeal]

you're the one that keeps on saying that the reason he has people wanting to help is that he's so bad. again, thats just the type of spin to be expected from you.

And your claim was that no other QB had people that wanted him to succeed.

Which makes more sense?

[rayzor]

i didn't say that no other QB had people wanting him to succeed. i said other QBs. your spin was that i said no other.

the answer is that i make more sense and you are pulling stuff out of your ear to suit your negative take on things.

[prowler2k8]

This board was giddy when we drafted Clausen.

"Thank the Lord we finally have a franchise QB!"

etc etc etc

It's just weird that no one wanted to make sure he had the best possible situation to succeed but everyone wants to hire coaches and "non coaches" to teach Cam how to play QB. The board thinks we should have a QB coach, a QB on the roster who is actually a coach, a "mentor" that is not on the payroll but we actually pay, and an offensive coordinator, all so Cam can succeed.

At what point do you sit back and think he just needs too much work? That picking a player that needs 4 coaches alone was maybe not the best move?

I don't think I've ever seen this kind of babying or catering for "likableness" and nothing more ever in my life.

Hope it pays off.

And your point is? Seems to me you're still trying to spin this to support your argument that Cam will be a bust and will not succeed without a lot of help.

Personally, I'm happy Newton is taking advantage of these invaluable resources. He can learn something from each of them that will be a tremendous help to making the transition to the NFL. How anyone can see this as anything but positive is beyond me.

[TheRealDeal]

How anyone can see this as anything but positive is beyond me.

It's great he's getting the help.

It's bad he needs the amount of help.

[CatMan72]

It's real simple, our investment in :cam: is > our investment in :jc: AND :jc: was supposed to have been a much more "pro-ready" QB than :cam: (look where that got us).

I think we also went into last year assuming Moore could get the job done while :jc: learned... now that it's been made painfully clear to us that we don't have a competent veteran QB on the roster, the need to get :cam: ready to play ASAP is much higher.

Why would anyone be against a guy like Farve spending some time working with :cam:???

We all cry about how :cam: needs a veteran mentor and when one who is bound for the HOF volunteers we all turn our nose up at it.

[TheRealDeal]

lots more people want to see newton succeed and want to give him as much support as possible.

it isn't because he's worse, its that people really want to see him succeed. they know what he's bringing to the table is incredible talent and they want to help him be the best by helping to mold that.

every young QB, i'm sure, would love to have the assistance newton is being offered and i'm sure that they all could use it as well. cam isn't "special" in that regard.what is special is that he has people lining up to work with him and who want to see him succeed. you didn't see it with other QBs because people really didn't care.

i didn't say that no other QB had people wanting him to succeed. i said other QBs. your spin was that i said no other.

the answer is that i make more sense and you are pulling stuff out of your ear to suit your negative take on things.

So what other top QB had this many people lining up to help them? I honestly can't think of one.

Does that mean no one cared about the rest of them or that the rest of them didn't need as much help?

[prowler2k8]

It's great he's getting the help.

It's bad he needs the amount of help.

I don't see that as bad thing. I would think with all of the questions/concerns about his development, this would be a good thing. At least it means he's being pro-active about it, which dispells the concerns about his work ethic. The lockout situation only magnfies the importance of the work he's doing to make his transition smoother. And who's to say other top-tier QBs didn't get similiar mentoring when they were rookies? Just b/c we never heard or read details about Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, or others when they were drafted doesn't mean they didn't benefit from some form of mentoring. Again, I fail to see this as a negative and it still doesn't prove anything.

[CatMan72]

So what other top QB had this many people lining up to help them? I honestly can't think of one.

Does that mean no one cared about the rest of them or that the rest of them didn't need as much help?

Maybe it means that people see so much potential in Cam that they line up to try and help bring it out of him?

[TheRealDeal]

Maybe it means that people see so much potential in Cam that they line up to try and help bring it out of him?

Possibility

[teeray]

Lot's of QBs receive help from current and former NFL QBs when they transition to the NFL. I think that one of the reasons Cam has so many is because he has reached out to them, and solicited help from them to absorb as much knowledge as possible.

Just another example of Cam's incredible work ethic.

[TheRealDeal]

Lot's of QBs receive help from current and former NFL QBs when they transition to the NFL. I think that one of the reasons Cam has so many is because he has reached out to them, and solicited help from them to absorb as much knowledge as possible.

Just another example of Cam's incredible work ethic.

Great spin

[prowler2k8]

It's real simple, our investment in :cam: is > our investment in :jc: AND :jc: was supposed to have been a much more "pro-ready" QB than :cam: (look where that got us).

I think we also went into last year assuming Moore could get the job done while :jc: learned... now that it's been made painfully clear to us that we don't have a competent veteran QB on the roster, the need to get :cam: ready to play ASAP is much higher.

Why would anyone be against a guy like Farve spending some time working with :cam:???

We all cry about how Cam needs a veteran mentor and when one who is bound for the HOF volunteers we all turn our nose up at it.

:iagree:

I guess some people are hard to please. It's beyond me how this could be seen as anything but positive with all of questions some of the experts/fans had about Cam's work ethic and transition to being a bonafide franchise QB. You would think people would feel better that Cam is taking a pro-active approach to his development as a player, but I guess not.

[rayzor]

Maybe it means that people see so much potential in Cam that they line up to try and help bring it out of him?

this.

again, i'm sure all QBs need help when they are first coming into the league and probably a lot of them will reach out to each other for advice (actually i know this is going on). we just don't hear much about it. here, though, is a situation where people are looking at newton, seeing his potential and wanting to help him reach it, just like catman said.

you could think that is speaking highly of newton, but instead you're opting to think that means that he sucks and he is alone in needing that help.

[TheRealDeal]

you could think that is speaking highly of newton, but instead you're opting to think that means that he sucks and he is alone in needing that help.

Not just help, but the amount of help is what is important.

If Jimmy had just 1 person who helped him and wanted him to succeed...

The more raw you are, the more help you receive.

The more raw you are, the more money you have, the more "friends" will want to help you. If you happen to throw them a bone or a cool mil, great. If you happen to endorse them publicly so they can get a coaching gig or give some private lessons, even better.