Osi Umenyiora wants out of New York... Filing affidavit to leave Giants within month.

[CatMan72]

Over spend for Charles Johnson or Osi? hmmm..........

CJ, hands down.

[TylerVagyler]

CJ with Osi on the other side...I'll take it.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Yeah let's throw tons of money at a 29 year old DE with knee problems.

Chuck Smith and Eric Swann are available.

You forgot Simeon Rice.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I would rather just stick with CJ and Hardy/Brown

[panthers55]

If we sign CJ we won't sign Osi. We won't devote 20 million a year to the DE spot with Hardy and Brown in the wings.

[TruCatzFan]

Just thought I'd bring it up... Somebody undoubtedly would have with this NO news lockout going on...

[CatMan72]

...and that 29 year old with knee problems is still better than anything we've got besides CJ, but I agree that there's a limit on how much we should spend to get him.

[prowler2k8]

If we sign CJ we won't sign Osi. We won't devote 20 million a year to the DE spot with Hardy and Brown in the wings.

At the risk of speculating too far in advance, in the unlikely event we can't sign CJ, I would really like to see us go after Quinton Coples in next year's draft. Imagine Coples and Hardy as our starting DE's with Norwood and Brown as our backups. We would have one of the better stable of DE that would rival NO and TB. Of course, a lot of things would have to happen i.e having another losing season and getting a top 5 pick in '12, but I can dream, right?

[jtnc]

Falcons take Osi, and we keep our fugging CJ.

Leave our CJ alone! and develop your own talent.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So we are already giving up on Greg Hardy after one year and replacing him with a 29 year old with knee problems? I mentioned Sidney Rice and got flamed for that, yet he is only 24 and still has an upside. Osi doesn't have many more years left with his Joe Paterno knees his Bo Jackson hips, at any time someone could chop block the hell out of him and his career would be over. We have three defensive end's that can still play ball and I don't think we should move on from any of them for a 29 near 30 year old Umenyiora. I can see people wanting to move on from someone like Tyler Brayton who is past his prime (which was only decent in my opinion), but wanting to move on from the 22 year old Hardy and 23 year Brown is foolish. Hell, we even have the 24 year old Hilee Taylor who hasn't even been given a fair shot to insert himself into the rotation; yet he has the same build, skill set, and motor that Brown has. In my opinion we have four young defensive end's that should be on the roster in Johnson (24), Taylor (24), Brown (23), and Hardy (22). We could still use one additional defensive end but let's at least get someone with an upside that can potentially be a key player for the Panthers in years to come, not some guy that is going to come in here for one season give us one good year (if he stays healthy) and then bolt because he doesn't like the team or retire because he becomes a cripple. That is another thing about Umenyiora, he has always been unhappy (even when his team is winning a Super Bowl) and he is always looking for a way to make more money (a main reason why he tried hiding the fact that he had hip surgery this last year). What even makes you guys think that Umenyiora would suddenly be okay on a team that to say the least is still in a rebuilding mode and trying to find it's new identity with a new coaching staff and a new rookie quarterback? If we want to look for another defensive end let's look at young guys like Cliff Avril, Turk McBride, Wallace Gilberry, or Tim Crowder.

[CatMan72]

So we are already giving up on Greg Hardy after one year and replacing him with a 29 year old with knee problems? I mentioned Sidney Rice and got flamed for that, yet he is only 24 and still has an upside. Osi doesn't have many more years left with his Joe Paterno knees his Bo Jackson hips, at any time someone could chop block the hell out of him and his career would be over. We have three defensive end's that can still play ball and I don't think we should move on from any of them for a 29 near 30 year old Umenyiora. I can see people wanting to move on from someone like Tyler Brayton who is past his prime (which was only decent in my opinion), but wanting to move on from the 22 year old Hardy and 23 year Brown is foolish. Hell, we even have the 24 year old Hilee Taylor who hasn't even been given a fair shot to insert himself into the rotation; yet he has the same build, skill set, and motor that Brown has. In my opinion we have four young defensive end's that should be on the roster in Johnson (24), Taylor (24), Brown (23), and Hardy (22). We could still use one additional defensive end but let's at least get someone with an upside that can potentially be a key player for the Panthers in years to come, not some guy that is going to come in here for one season give us one good year (if he stays healthy) and then bolt because he doesn't like the team or retire because he becomes a cripple. That is another thing about Umenyiora, he has always been unhappy (even when his team is winning a Super Bowl) and he is always looking for a way to make more money (a main reason why he tried hiding the fact that he had hip surgery this last year). What even makes you guys think that Umenyiora would suddenly be okay on a team that to say the least is still in a rebuilding mode and trying to find it's new identity with a new coaching staff and a new rookie quarterback? If we want to look for another defensive end let's look at young guys like Cliff Avril, Turk McBride, Wallace Gilberry, or Tim Crowder.

I'm not giving up on Hardy but I'm also not waiting around for him... Hardy has shown some flashes, but Osi is a proven commodity.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'm not giving up on Hardy but I'm also not waiting around for him... Hardy has shown some flashes, but Osi is a proven commodity.

He is proven, but he also is not waiting another two to three years before his team may or may not be ready to compete for a Super Bowl. On top of that it will probably take more than $10 mil to get him here because he thinks he is worth more than he actually is and some idiot franchise like the Redskins will give him that money.

[rayzor]

On December 23, 2005, the Giants signed Umenyiora to a six-year contract extension for $41 million with $15 million guaranteed. He wants top 5 money so pass. He is good though Osi, CJ, Hardy, and Brown would be a mean set of DE's.

Tackles Fumbles

Year Team G GS Total Solo Sck Sfty FF FR

2003 NYG 13 1 20 13 1.0 0 1 0

2004 NYG 16 7 58 40 7.0 0 3 4

2005 NYG 16 16 70 48 14.5 0 4 2

2006 NYG 11 11 31 24 6.0 0 1 0

2007 NYG 16 16 52 40 13.0 0 5 2

2009 NYG 16 11 29 19 7.0 0 4 4

2010 NYG 16 16 48 33 11.5 0 10 1

Total 104 78 308 217 60 0 28 13

I took the time to fix the spacing in the graph and it shifted to the left anyways.

big bolded words boil it all down for me.

[nagai]

We'll keep CJ, that I am 90% sure of.

1. CJ wants to stay in Carolina

2. Rivera likes CJ both as a player and as a lockeroom presence

3. We've been told by people within the league that resigning him is a high priority

They'll work out a deal. With all this money spent on CJ, why would we sign Osi? Like it or not, we're still trying to rebuild as a young team. I don't see us getting any huge free agent signings, not for players who are a bit seasoned.