Stewart wants us to hang on to Williams

[frash.exe]

people have reruns of Williams' 08 season on repeat in their heads. They think that is what they get my extending him to big money.

and what they don't get about it is that it's very hard to rush for 18 touchdowns in a season, especially when you're being spelled by a starting caliber back frequently. The only other guy to hit pay dirt that much on the ground since 2007 is AP, and it took him a lot more carries to do it.

[thefuzz]

I would love to keep DWill, let me say that.

However, if it comes with not being able to have a vet QB, an impact DL, a solid starter in the defensive backfield, or an edge rusher, I say sooooo Long.

[CRA]

and what they don't get about it is that it's very hard to rush for 18 touchdowns in a season, especially when you're being spelled by a starting caliber back frequently. The only other guy to hit pay dirt that much on the ground since 2007 is AP, and it took him a lot more carries to do it.

also without really looking at numbers.....I recall Williams had a LOT of 1, 2, 3yard TD scores. Brad Hoover could of knocked in a lot of those.

[neverlosethefeeling]

some people would say no to that because there's always been a contingent of posters on here that would never give this team a chance to bring in new people to create new memories, they'd rather try futilely to relive the old ones that they don't realize are gone.

And there's always been a contingent of posters who don't see that you can make big moves in free agency without having to turn to the rest of the league.

People only tend to measure how active we are in free agency by how many outside players we bring in. But we're in a different spot this year. We've got 28 free agents on this team, and a bunch of big named ones. DeAngelo, Matt Moore, Charles Johnson, Kalil who we'll need to get a deal done with, Beason, possibly Smitty drama, etc.

We can be big in free agency without having to land the biggest free agents from other teams.

[ncmonzta]

people have reruns of Williams' 08 season on repeat in their heads. They think that is what they get my extending him to big money.

You must've stopped watching in 08. He did his thing in 09 too and had 361 in the first six games splitting carries last year, sounds like the same ol' D-Will to me. It's not about loyalty its about production and he produces. Here's some more conjecture; Stewart couldn't even manage to practice and having D-Will start the games so he could come in fresh has helped him stay healthy all season. I wonder what would happen if he had to practice everyday and carry the ball 30 times a game.

Wait, nevermind, I get it now its about the 20 mil a year we're gonna have to pay him. Lets not sign D-Will then we can sign S. Holmes somehow and have a little spare change for N. Aso. Fug it might as well get Mankins, Cofield and V.Jax too with all the cap not signing D-Will is gonna free up.:rolleyes:

edit: I forgot Peyton Manning

[neverlosethefeeling]

I would love to keep DWill, let me say that.

However, if it comes with not being able to have a vet QB, an impact DL, a solid starter in the defensive backfield, or an edge rusher, I say sooooo Long.

I was fairly certain, though, that it had been discussed in the thread about cap room that we should be able to re-sign all of our "core" players and still have room to fill those other needs...

Perhaps I missed something.

I don't think signing DeAngelo is going to be the one thing preventing us from filling those other needs. Hurney and Rivera have openly identified their target positions in FA and if they feel like they can re-sign DeAngelo and fill those needs, that's what they're going to do.

[bleys]

And there's always been a contingent of posters who don't see that you can make big moves in free agency without having to turn to the rest of the league.

People only tend to measure how active we are in free agency by how many outside players we bring in. But we're in a different spot this year. We've got 28 free agents on this team, and a bunch of big named ones. DeAngelo, Matt Moore, Charles Johnson, Kalil who we'll need to get a deal done with, Beason, possibly Smitty drama, etc.

We can be big in free agency without having to land the biggest free agents from other teams.

valid point, but kind of double-speak considering we will be signing a crapload of our own FA regardless of whether we sign DWill or not..

I was fairly certain, though, that it had been discussed in the thread about cap room that we should be able to re-sign all of our "core" players and still have room to fill those other needs...

Perhaps I missed something.

I don't think signing DeAngelo is going to be the one thing preventing us from filling those other needs. Hurney and Rivera have openly identified their target positions in FA and if they feel like they can re-sign DeAngelo and fill those needs, that's what they're going to do.

also, that is an impression that cannot be confirmed as of yet.. it's an assumption. one that may or may not be true..

[Vagrant]

Stewart has never missed a regular season game due to injury. Williams has finished two straight years on IR.

Please rectify these two facts with your opinion listed above.

LOL for confusing healthy with who shows up on the field. I never said Stewart didn't have heart, but he's been playing hurt about 80% of the games he has played as a Panther with that degenerative ankle condition he has.

This is a great discussion for proving who knows squat about football. All of a sudden, Stewart is the healthy horse and Williams is the injury prone brittle back.

[CRA]

You must've stopped watching in 08. He did his thing in 09 too and had 361 in the first six games splitting carries last year, sounds like the same ol' D-Will to me. It's not about loyalty its about production and he produces. Here's some more conjecture; Stewart couldn't even manage to practice and having D-Will start the games so he could come in fresh has helped him stay healthy all season. I wonder what would happen if he had to practice everyday and carry the ball 30 times a game.

Wait, nevermind, I get it now its about the 20 mil a year we're gonna have to pay him. Lets not sign D-Will then we can sign S. Holmes somehow and have a little spare change for N. Aso. Fug it might as well get Mankins, Cofield and V.Jax too with all the cap not signing D-Will is gonna free up.:rolleyes:

I kept watching.....Williams no longer was the better runner after that year. Maybe they were equal and Stewart wasn't better....but Williams wasn't the better RB after that.

Stewart even in college proved he can play through nagging injuries. I mean trying to spin Stewart missed practice against him is just pointless.

DWill's money could be better used on a position of greater need......exagerrating that we couldn't sign 3 players with that money doesn't make the point of it all less true.

[CRA]

LOL for confusing healthy with who shows up on the field. I never said Stewart didn't have heart, but he's been playing hurt about 80% of the games he has played as a Panther with that degenerative ankle condition he has.

This is a great discussion for proving who knows squat about football. All of a sudden, Stewart is the healthy horse and Williams is the injury prone brittle back.

and a hurt Stewart has almost been as good as a healthy Williams. A hurt Stewart has also been more reliable.

[frash.exe]

It's Marty Hurney's. What indication has Hurney given you that they don't want to re-sign Williams? He's said ad nauseum that they want to keep the "core group" of players. What makes you think that Williams isn't in that core group?

And my response was largely directed toward the crowd who were saying that Stewart didn't really mean he wanted DeAngelo to say, he was just being a good teammate or being PC.

if he does decide to do it will probably be because we have so much money to spend right now we don't really have to chose between priorities

just don't complain 3 years from now when we have to cut him and take a cap penalty in the millions because we can't justify paying a guy that played 5 games and gets 3.2 yards a carry the season before 8 mil. That's more likely than him repeating 2008's success and you know it.

[neverlosethefeeling]

valid point, but kind of double-speak considering we will be signing a crapload of our own FA regardless of whether we sign DWill or not..

also, that is an impression that cannot be confirmed as of yet.. it's an assumption. one that may or may not be true..

then it's also an impression that can't be confirmed to say that we shouldn't re-sign him due to cap reasons. See: CRA's post right before this one.

if he does decide to do it will probably be because we have so much money to spend right now we don't really have to chose between priorities

just don't complain 3 years from now when we have to cut him and take a cap penalty in the millions because we can't justify paying a guy that played 5 games and gets 3.2 yards a carry the season before 8 mil. That's more likely than him repeating 2008's success and you know it.

I don't know where I said that I expect him to have 08-type success? If you can point me to that post, I'll eat crow. But methinks you'll have a hard time finding it. And if you REALLY want to talk about conjecture, let's try to predict stats 3 years down the road. That's water-tight logic right there.

[frash.exe]

And there's always been a contingent of posters who don't see that you can make big moves in free agency without having to turn to the rest of the league.

yea well i would consider it a blockbuster FA move if we re-signed our star back for top money and it was 1995.

but it's 2011, the running game is less critical now than it was then and the one man running game that you used to have is even less emphasized so to tie up that much money in one player that has not once carried the ball 300+ times in a season doesn't scream good business to me

[CRA]

I don't know where I said that I expect him to have 08-type success? If you can point me to that post, I'll eat crow. But methinks you'll have a hard time finding it. And if you REALLY want to talk about conjecture, let's try to predict stats 3 years down the road. That's water-tight logic right there.

actually, it is pretty well documented what 31 yr old RBs do in the NFL compared to the younger guys in their primes.