Panthers interested in Bulger and Delhomme...

[rico6]

Well.. not ready, and given a lame duck coaching staff.

[KillerKat]

I want Bulger...and if he comes in he WILL start.

Cam and Jimmy both need to develop and learn this season.

You saw what happens when a rookie QB is not ready last year.

If Bulger were starter material, he wouldn't want to stay in Baltimore to be a backup. Bulger is finished.

[MWCarolina]

i hope we avoid all of them, but if we get one, Delhomme because he will know he isnt coming here to start and the QB shouldnt. the one who should start is either Newton or Clausen. the QB that comes here is the mentor, the vet that will help Newton grow, i feel that Bulger will want to go to a team where he can start for a year.

[MadHatter]

I want Bulger...and if he comes in he WILL start.

Cam and Jimmy both need to develop and learn this season.

You saw what happens when a rookie QB is not ready last year.

[Proudiddy]

So we get rid of Kasay because we don't want to waste an extra roster spot for a KOS, but are willing to waste a roster spot on incompetent QBs that will never contribute? If we're going that route, how about one that's from a Coryell system so that he would actually be worth a damn and could help Cam.

The Kasay situation is the only bad move I feel we made all off-season, but I understand it...

That being said, if what everyone saw yesterday from Pike is any sign of things going forward, then we won't be "wasting" a roster spot for Bulger or Jake.

I would love to bring Jake back so he can retire the way he was supposed to after being a soundingboard/mentor for Cam for the next however many years... So long as he doesn't have to touch the ball for any extended period of time.

[Proudiddy]

I want Bulger...and if he comes in he WILL start.

Cam and Jimmy both need to develop and learn this season.

You saw what happens when a rookie QB is not ready last year.

Jimmy shouldn't even count, it's quite possible that he not only shouldn't have played as a rookie, it's possible he shouldn't be playing in the NFL AT ALL. Playing as a rookie didn't hurt Josh Freeman or Matt Ryan (both had very different skill sets).

[MWCarolina]

If Bulger were starter material, he wouldn't want to stay in Baltimore to be a backup. Bulger is finished.

i agree, Bulger is not a starter and why bring him in to start when Clausen has been here and knows the playbook and has game experience with Carolina??? the vet that comes in (if they get one) should be here to mentor and teach the young QB, kinda like another QB coach.

[HPPantherzfan]

Jimmy shouldn't even count, it's quite possible that he not only shouldn't have played as a rookie, it's possible he shouldn't be playing in the NFL AT ALL. Playing as a rookie didn't hurt Josh Freeman or Matt Ryan (both had very different skill sets).

I think you bash this kid way to much...why all the hate?

lame duck coach

hurt O-line

hurt running back

disgruntled WR

2 other rookie WR's

to many other things working against him to even mention

He was by no means great or even good but for god sakes (peaks sakes) give it a rest already on the Jimmy hate

FYI, he looked better than Cam did yesterday. How does that make you feel?

[Carl Spackler]

I think you bash this kid way to much...why all the hate?

lame duck coach

hurt O-line

hurt running back

disgruntled WR

2 other rookie WR's

to many other things working against him to even mention

He was by no means great or even good but for god sakes (peaks sakes) give it a rest already on the Jimmy hate

FYI, he looked better than Cam did yesterday. How does that make you feel?

Right now the collective fanbase is blind to any of Cam's inadequacies, assuming there are any. If he throws a bad pass, like he did yesterday, everyone chalks it up to nerves, or maybe miscommunication. But that same pass thrown by Clausen is "OMG LOLZ CLAUSEN IS TEH WORSTZ."

I realize it's nearly impossible to keep from being biased, but sometimes, it's good to actually make some concerted effort to being objective.

[PanthersGuy28]

I would be fine with either, get a CB like Hayden first though.

[MadHatter]

If Bulger were starter material, he wouldn't want to stay in Baltimore to be a backup. Bulger is finished.

by your logic, i guess if Kurt Warner had been starter material, he would not have been bagging groceries before receiving that call.

Only time will tell which direction Rivera goes at QB.

[d-run]

So we get rid of Kasay because we don't want to waste an extra roster spot for a KOS, but are willing to waste a roster spot on incompetent QBs that will never contribute? If we're going that route, how about one that's from a Coryell system so that he would actually be worth a damn and could help Cam.

Bulger is a Coryell QB. The Martz offense isn't exactly the same as the Turner offense, but they are both Coryell based.

[Proudiddy]

I think you bash this kid way to much...why all the hate?

lame duck coach

hurt O-line

hurt running back

disgruntled WR

2 other rookie WR's

to many other things working against him to even mention

He was by no means great or even good but for god sakes (peaks sakes) give it a rest already on the Jimmy hate

FYI, he looked better than Cam did yesterday. How does that make you feel?

I'm not bashing him. Did you watch last season? Every reason you listed besides the coaching is irrelevant. Gettis produced (with his breakout game coming with Matt at QB). LaFell came on late. Smitty produced when Matt Moore played. RB never really suffered, besides bad coaching/playcalling. And we've already had an epic thread this offseason from an accredited site showing stats the proved our OL, despite injuries, was not the cause of Jimmy's failures.

So we're down to coaching.

Lame duck coaching doesn't make you trip over your own feet repeatedly out of center.

Lame duck coaching doesn't make you fumble the snap from under center.

Lame duck coaching doesn't make you lead the league in passes thrown being deflected.

Lame duck coaching doesn't make you repeatedly get sacked because you can't read a defense.

Lame duck coaching doesn't make you checkdown or throw the ball out of bounds instead of throwing to an open guy downfield.

Sure, the lack of coaching wasn't a help, but these are things that a QB controls himself, out on the field. It's not hate, it's facts. If you've read my posts in the past, ever since we drafted him... You'd know it wasn't hate. It just comes off as extremely negative since he stepped in last year because everything that happened was negative.

The truth is, he showed nothing last year. Go find any analyst you want and google reviews on Jimmy Clausen's rookie season... Ask Charles Johnson what he thought about Jimmy. Ask Steve Smith. Ask several of the other players on Twitter. Not many have had positive things to say. None of them are good.

Best-case scenario is, we chalk all of last year up to him NOT having anyone engaged with him to correct these mistakes/misreads, so we're saying this should essentially be his true rookie season. That's fine. But, the facts are, he didn't look anywhere near ready at all when he did play. So unless that changes, how am I wrong in saying we don't know whether he's an NFL QB or not?

And btw, I heard different accounts from people there saying Cam looked better, and some saying Clausen looked slightly better (mostly because of how he finished). So, that is just your opinion. For our sake, I hope he has worked and pulled himself together to become an asset to us in some way.

But, Fox isn't here anymore, so you get the job for sentimental reasons or because Fox thought you were a "football player." The franchise is going in a new direction and from the crowd reactions yesterday, and things Rivera has already said, it's gonna be hard for them to keep Cam on the bench for the duration of the season. They won't.

[weymouthst]

The problem with Jimmy was that his fundamentals were off. You know, some things are actually in YOUR hands, not the coaches, wide receivers, o-line, etc..

Jimmy does take part of the blame here. He saw the situation he was in and decided to ride it out. That is a character issue. Maybe he didn't practice that much harder. Maybe he didn't study a little more. Little things here and there that add up, and turn into a 2-14 season.

Yes, there were injuries, blah blah. The QB has to take control of the situation, be the leader, bring guys together and get things done. I don't think Jimmy has that. Jake had it. And Cam is showing more and more every day.

I hope Jimmy has worked on his game and steps it up this season. But as far as the vet QB, he should NOT start, under and circumstances barring injury or complete incompetence by Cam and Jimmy. It hinders development and experience. Until Cam or Jimmy loses their jobs by starting, I don't want to see the vet start.