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No I didn't.

Jake had success. That's it. Once people figured out to attack our run game and double cover Smith, it was over though.

You think Moore had success? Uh... no... else he wouldn't have been benched by a Lame Duck Fox, and ultimately released by Rivera. You don't release successful QBs.

So Moore "has success", yet was benched by Fox, but Clausen can't claim the same bad coaching?

John Fox's comments when he was fired was "This isn't surprising, we've known this was happening for two years."

Carr started 4 games because of an injured Delhomme. His issues started in Houston, having been shell-shocked by taking a league high number of sacks for a few years.

Clausen isn't a great QB. I don't think he'll ever be a starter. He COULD become a decent backup.

He WAS a rookie in a lame duck scenario, and if you don't acknowledge that will have a negative impact on his play, you're just stupid.

Matt Moore has a winning record as a starting QB.....THAT is success in the league.

Clausen didn't fit what Fox needed for his offense. You could give Fox a bad QB who FIT what he did.....and that QB would do okay.

Fox's offense ONLY implodes when someone doesn't have the basic skill set required to play in it.....Clausen and Carr didn't have it. Time isn't going to change that.

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Clausen looked rough, but I'd like to see a qb that wouldn't look bad in a situation like that. Where it seemed opposing defenses knew what plays we were going to run before we ran them, due to how predictable Fox/Davidson were last season.

He couldn't hit open receivers when he had time.

Fox didn't make Jimmy bad.

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Head coach saying "Started to click a little" doesn't mean much.

But you have seriosuly not read anything about why Cam Newton isn't ready for the NFL?

There are tons of articles. You can use google. Some about his college system, some about his completely erractic workouts.

Newton was drafted on pure athletic potential. Accuracy is what makes an NFL QB long term and he may not have it. You can run around all you want but unless you have a Vick arm you may stink.

Which means he may be a bust in the NFL. This was an extremely risky pick by the panthers.

It's no surprise that our fans have anointed him week 1 starter when he may not be ready week 1 2012

Ryan Kalil seems to disagree with you....

“One of the perceptions with Cam was that Auburn’s offense was too simplistic and he was going to struggle with the NFL playbook,’’ “Just listening to him out there, talking to (quarterbacks) coach (Mike) Shula or asking me or other guys questions, he really has gotten into the playbook and he knows what he’s doing.’’

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth

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Matt Moore has a winning record as a starting QB.....THAT is success in the league.

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Moore's W-L is 7-6.

As a 1st team starter he went 5-5. The 2 wins he got was in his Rookie year replacing Testaverde after replacing Carr after replacing Delhomme. The final three games were meaningless, as were the final 4 in his run in 2009.

Championships are success. Making your team playoff contenders is success. Winning ONE more game than you lost doesn't mean you have had success. Sorry.

Clausen didn't fit what Fox needed for his offense. You could give Fox a bad QB who FIT what he did.....and that QB would do okay.

Based on what? Oh... based on one year of rookie play. Mkay.

Fox's offense ONLY implodes when someone doesn't have the basic skill set required to play in it.....Clausen and Carr didn't have it. Time isn't going to change that.

Fox's offense implodes when people figure out to stack the box or blitz the QB and double cover his star receiver. Yeah, Clausen and Carr sucked, but you have to give Clausen a LITTLE benefit of the doubt.

Again... he should never be the 1st team starter for us, but fug if Anderson should be. We needed a guy who COULD potentially be that for us in week 1.

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Moore's W-L is 7-6.

As a 1st team starter he went 5-5. The 2 wins he got was in his Rookie year replacing Testaverde after replacing Carr after replacing Delhomme. The final three games were meaningless, as were the final 4 in his run in 2009.

Championships are success. Making your team playoff contenders is success. Winning ONE more game than you lost doesn't mean you have had success. Sorry.

Based on what? Oh... based on one year of rookie play. Mkay.

Fox's offense implodes when people figure out to stack the box or blitz the QB and double cover his star receiver. Yeah, Clausen and Carr sucked, but you have to give Clausen a LITTLE benefit of the doubt.

Again... he should never be the 1st team starter for us, but fug if Anderson should be. We needed a guy who COULD potentially be that for us in week 1.

Matt Moore is an undrafted FA that went 7-6 as a starter. That is success. It shows you that Fox's offense functions without very good QB play.

Funny how you disregard Moore's play as a rookie......when the conversation is about Jimmy's rookie play under the same coach.

People have been stacking the box and double covering Smitty for years......that ain't something unique to 2010

Clausen played in the NFL exactly like he did at ND. No point pretending he is something he isn't.

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Matt Moore is an undrafted FA that went 7-6 as a starter. That is success. It shows you that Fox's offense functions without very good QB play.

No, it shows that when Moore had no pressure on him to play, he played well.

Funny who you disregard Moore's play as a rookie......when the conversation is about Jimmy's rookie play under the same coach.

You're missing the key component... Fox was a Lame Duck last year.... meaning he was the coach but knew he was leaving, and coached like he didn't care. Is it any wonder that his worst year was the last year he was here?

People have been stacking the box and double covering Smitty for years......that ain't something unique to 2010

And we never had winning seasons back to back with Fox, and he got fired.

Clausen played in the NFL exactly like he did at ND. No point pretending he is something he isn't.

I'm not. He was terrible. But I think with some coaching and time, he could be a decent backup. No sense in adding crap upon crap.

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You're missing the key component... Fox was a Lame Duck last year.... meaning he was the coach but knew he was leaving, and coached like he didn't care. Is it any wonder that his worst year was the last year he was here?

And we never had winning seasons back to back with Fox, and he got fired.

I'm not. He was terrible. But I think with some coaching and time, he could be a decent backup. No sense in adding crap upon crap.

Fox was a lameduck....but he did everything he always did. There is no excuse for Jimmy being horrific. Fox never would have wanted to add a player like AE and try to add that to his offense so things of that nature he did not attempt to add. Fox still had his OL, his RB, his WRs, and his D. He had the pieces to still play Foxball.....lameduck or not. Problem was he had horrific QB play.

No point defending Clausen.....he was too bad. If someone says he sucks the only response is yes. Maybe as time goes on the Jimmy conversation can start up again.....but as bad as he was you can't get away with pointing the blame at anyone and everyone.

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