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[panthers55]

The thing is that in the NFL there is no such thing as standing still. While it may seem like nothing is happening, it's not true. This is a young team, and those young players are working on improving, getting bigger and stronger, and working on the technical and mental aspects of their game. Guys like Johnson, Godfrey, and Otah should be much better this season due to working in the off-season program along with the additional year of maturing in the system. Not to mention players, such as Bernadeau and Schwartz, that we fans tend to think of as an afterthought, but the team seems to really like that should also improve with a full year and off-season program under their belt.

Also, we will fill holes in the draft. Despite what many want to think, we don't really have all that many holes. Offense is pretty well set (Like JD or not, he is the starter), and on defense we only need a DT and CB (assuming Pep plays under the tag). And CB is iffy depending on how we think Marshall will do in Meeks' defense. So the only clear need is a DT. And we should be able to find a capable rotational guy in FA once the dust has settled (Robertson?) as well as a solid guy with our 2nd round pick. Then the rest of the draft can be used to fill in our depth.

So while not flashy, what we are doing is all we need to do. There's no reason to think the team won't be fine next year.

BUT.......................BUT............................BUT.........................

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!

WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE NEED WHOLESALE CHANGES!!!!!!!!!

FIRE FOX AND HURNEY!!!!!!

RELEASE PEPPERS IMMEDIATELY AND SIGN A SCRUB IN HIS PLACE!!

WE NEED CAP ROOM TO SIGN ALL THESE ALL-PRO PLAYERS WAITING FOR US TO SNAP THEM UP!!!!!

WITH TRGO GONE THE DEFENSE WILL REALLY SUCK????

AND.............AND.............AND....................

YOUR MAMA!!!!!!!!

:cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin:

[carolinarolls]

BUT.......................BUT............................BUT.........................

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!

WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE NEED WHOLESALE CHANGES!!!!!!!!!

FIRE FOX AND HURNEY!!!!!!

RELEASE PEPPERS IMMEDIATELY AND SIGN A SCRUB IN HIS PLACE!!

WE NEED CAP ROOM TO SIGN ALL THESE ALL-PRO PLAYERS WAITING FOR US TO SNAP THEM UP!!!!!

WITH TRGO GONE THE DEFENSE WILL REALLY SUCK????

AND.............AND.............AND....................

YOUR MAMA!!!!!!!!

:cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin:

I lol at your release peppers statement. I know it was in jest but what if you said...

RELEASE PEPPERS AND USE THE CAP SPACE TO BE A PLAYER IN FA BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO DIDEA WHAT MAY PRESENT ITSELF

..goes both ways...releasing him does not in any way lock us intosigning a scrub.

c'mon 55

[pantherclaw]

I really don't see many needs for the team. The biggest need, being along the defensive line, interior first.

[Snake]

See me in Dec when our defense is last in the league.

Kirwin left that part out didnt he..... :skep:

We HAVE glarring NEEDS, Peppers 16+ million is wooping our ass.

Not to mention that we HAVE NO DEPTH at OL......

We HAVE NEEDS......

not that we have to go sign every big name guy, but we NEED to fill some gaps or a less than repeat year is ahead.

Watch out that will get you the Doom and Gloom tag around here.

[Snake]

The thing is that in the NFL there is no such thing as standing still. While it may seem like nothing is happening, it's not true. This is a young team, and those young players are working on improving, getting bigger and stronger, and working on the technical and mental aspects of their game. Guys like Johnson, Godfrey, and Otah should be much better this season due to working in the off-season program along with the additional year of maturing in the system. Not to mention players, such as Bernadeau and Schwartz, that we fans tend to think of as an afterthought, but the team seems to really like that should also improve with a full year and off-season program under their belt.

Also, we will fill holes in the draft. Despite what many want to think, we don't really have all that many holes. Offense is pretty well set (Like JD or not, he is the starter), and on defense we only need a DT and CB (assuming Pep plays under the tag). And CB is iffy depending on how we think Marshall will do in Meeks' defense. So the only clear need is a DT. And we should be able to find a capable rotational guy in FA once the dust has settled (Robertson?) as well as a solid guy with our 2nd round pick. Then the rest of the draft can be used to fill in our depth.

So while not flashy, what we are doing is all we need to do. There's no reason to think the team won't be fine next year.

Really thats a BIG IF. You will always have IFs on a team but we are banking on some big ones if what you said goes down.

[Snake]

BUT.......................BUT............................BUT.........................

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!

WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE NEED WHOLESALE CHANGES!!!!!!!!!

FIRE FOX AND HURNEY!!!!!!

RELEASE PEPPERS IMMEDIATELY AND SIGN A SCRUB IN HIS PLACE!!

WE NEED CAP ROOM TO SIGN ALL THESE ALL-PRO PLAYERS WAITING FOR US TO SNAP THEM UP!!!!!

WITH TRGO GONE THE DEFENSE WILL REALLY SUCK????

AND.............AND.............AND....................

YOUR MAMA!!!!!!!!

:cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin:

[Seamonk]

I'd like to be one of the people who knows what the FO is doing. I want to know what they're planning, if they're not showing their cards outright and grabbing FAs then they're scheming. They know something we don't.

Also, Releasing Peppers will free up cap, but will you get someone of the value of Peppers from it? Draft, FA, these are all big IFs, we know what we got in Peppers.

If something is going to happen, it's going to happen on or before the draft.

[carolinanimal]

i really dont believe the sky is falling, but i think what the problem is for me is talent level. how can we improve it? thats how teams get better, not signing EVERY free agent but ones that can improve the overall talent level, my problem is that the longer we have to wait the less talent will be avialable, and hoping someone gets released after the draft is not good strategy. a good team fills in with fa and the draft. we cannot fully rely on one or the other. also people keep forgetting we STILL dont have a 1st round pick and we pick in the BOTTOM of each round, again getting lesser talent. also we have to hope each one of these stick. our team has some holes , we are thin on dline, lewid just had shoudler surgery, we hope he comes back at full speed, we have 0 depth at oline which i think is the most important, since our offense is basically fueled by the run. we hope marshall steps up (which i think he will), but need depth at corner.

i just hope that maybe a combination of drafting and fa will help us out. We have to be better than last year.

and before people says that we were 12-4 last year, look at last years schedule. we beat a lot of bad teams barely by the way, split in our division(except for saints) and lost to the good teams and were undefeated at home. look at this years schedule, we play ONE team with a losing record. we play the nfc east and afc east, not to mention our own division which is always tough. i am not saying that we will be 0-16, but i am also not saying the we are some 12-4 juggernaut from last year and all we need to do for next year just draft some players and we will be dominant again.

i realize that we are broke, but the fo put themselves in this situation.

PS( for all those talking down fa like all of a sudden it is the worst thing to do, what happened in 2003 when we got one of the best fa pickups in stephen davis, maybe we should have waited for the draft, what was the fo thinking then? )

[MadHatter]

i really dont believe the sky is falling, but i think what the problem is for me is talent level. how can we improve it? thats how teams get better, not signing EVERY free agent but ones that can improve the overall talent level, my problem is that the longer we have to wait the less talent will be avialable, and hoping someone gets released after the draft is not good strategy. a good team fills in with fa and the draft. we cannot fully rely on one or the other. also people keep forgetting we STILL dont have a 1st round pick and we pick in the BOTTOM of each round, again getting lesser talent. also we have to hope each one of these stick. our team has some holes , we are thin on dline, lewid just had shoudler surgery, we hope he comes back at full speed, we have 0 depth at oline which i think is the most important, since our offense is basically fueled by the run. we hope marshall steps up (which i think he will), but need depth at corner.

i just hope that maybe a combination of drafting and fa will help us out. We have to be better than last year.

and before people says that we were 12-4 last year, look at last years schedule. we beat a lot of bad teams barely by the way, split in our division(except for saints) and lost to the good teams and were undefeated at home. look at this years schedule, we play ONE team with a losing record. we play the nfc east and afc east, not to mention our own division which is always tough. i am not saying that we will be 0-16, but i am also not saying the we are some 12-4 juggernaut from last year and all we need to do for next year just draft some players and we will be dominant again.

i realize that we are broke, but the fo put themselves in this situation.

PS( for all those talking down fa like all of a sudden it is the worst thing to do, what happened in 2003 when we got one of the best fa pickups in stephen davis, maybe we should have waited for the draft, what was the fo thinking then? )

Quality teams get better by developing their own players. You do not have to brign in FA's to improve. We have young players that will continue to improve....Beason, Godfrey, Otah,Kalil, Dwill, Stewart.

[monstercat]

Why is everybody so damned worried about next year's schedule? The way the NFL is nowadays, there's not a team on that schedule that is guaranteed to be better than us, regardless of who the Panthers sign, or don't sign.

[Fireball77]

PS( for all those talking down fa like all of a sudden it is the worst thing to do, what happened in 2003 when we got one of the best fa pickups in stephen davis, maybe we should have waited for the draft, what was the fo thinking then? )

Let me just address this...there's also a difference between trying to rebuild a team pretty much from scratch due to taking over from another regime like they were still doing in 2003, to how they handle things when they have a good core of players they handpicked like now. Then, getting Davis in FA was a great move because maybe they were thinking here's a guy who can give us a few years to carry the load/ be productive in a secondary role while we develop Foster. With the other needs they had, they may not have wanted to draft another RB high in 2003. They already had kind of a patchwork OL, so by signing Davis they got to draft a building block of their OL in Gross. OL generally last longer than RB. By no means am I saying this or any other FO is perfect, just trying to point out that they need to think differently at times.

[mantal]

I only remember Fox/Hurney making a big splash in free agency one time, (Wahle & Lucas) and neither is still here...

I guess you could call Kemo a big one too, in more ways than one...

[monstercat]

How many of the 31 other NFL teams have actually made a big splash this year anyway? In case people haven't noticed, there really aren't any big name FA's out there, and nobody is really going on a spending spree this year, except for maybe the Redskins, and the majority of their money was spent on one player.

[Snake]

I only remember Fox/Hurney making a big splash in free agency one time, (Wahle & Lucas) and neither is still here...

I guess you could call Kemo a big one too, in more ways than one...

We also payed a far share for Jake and Steven Davis in 03. That seemed to work out.