How long do you give Deangelo Williams?

[CRA]

historically, the running has always had slow starts to the season, even when it was fox ball. Regardless who the runner was.

Take into the account that we've already passed for over 1000 yards, the runing plays are fewer.

DeAngleo has never looked like he has in recent games.....even in slow starting seasons. In 2008, DeAngleo is the reason we won week 1....Stewart the reason we won week 2. Williams isn't passing the eyeball test.

[pantherclaw]

To show my unbias..

I've always stated that williams, has more miles/yards on his legs than most people accept.

No one has as many yards from scrimmage in college, as williams.

Yes, he has always shared the load here in carolina, but that is still catching up with him.

Without a doubt, stewart is the younger, and stronger back, with less miles/yards on his legs.

[pantherclaw]

DeAngleo has never looked like he has in recent games.....even in slow starting seasons. In 2008, DeAngleo is the reason we won week 1....Stewart the reason we won week 2. Williams isn't passing the eyeball test.

neither back is impressing on running plays.

Stewart, being the stronger back, breaks more tackles, which is why i have always loved to watch him run...but really, his running numbers are any more impressive.

So what i'm seeing is an is fans are being hard on williams, mainly cause he finially got his contract the he earned years ago.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

neither back is impressing on running plays.

Stewart, being the stronger back, breaks more tackles, which is why i have always loved to watch him run...but really, his running numbers are any more impressive.

So what i'm seeing is an is fans are being hard on williams, mainly cause he finially got his contract the he earned years ago.

the 1.5 productive seasons he's had in the past 5 is not worth the contract he has now.

wether it be for past accomplishments or for the future, carolina overpaid for his services. period.

[Jrock88]

Pantherclaw, you're wasting your time, their minds are made up on Deangelo aka "the washed up overpaid bum."

Can't wait to see the responses when he has his breakout game, and rest assured, he will.

[Panthro]

Pantherclaw, you're wasting your time, their minds are made up on Deangelo aka "the washed up overpaid bum."

Can't wait to see the responses when he has his breakout game, and rest assured, he will.

See this is where you think myself and others are rooting against him. You and your ilk could not be anymore misinformed. We are not cheering against DeAngelo and in fact want him to have these breakout games you guys keep talking about ASAP and would love to have them frequently.

[Jrock88]

I didn't mention any specific names, no need to get your panties in a bunch. It just seems evident to me that some people don't like Deangelo and would rather had him walk in free agency.

[Panthro]

I didn't mention any specific names, no need to get your panties in a bunch. It just seems evident to me that some people don't like Deangelo and would rather had him walk in free agency.

No one here hates or even dislikes DeAngelo. We would rather him A) signed to a lesser contract B) traded last year C) let walk instead of giving him $40 million that could go to a position of WEAKNESS. I'm using caps because some peoples (not you obviously)comprehension skills seem to be a bit on the shady side...perhaps it is because it is Friday and it's been a long work week.

I assumed you were talking to me because I am one of the most vocal opponents to his extension. My apologies if you were not directing that conversation towards me. See I have some semblance of reading comprehension skillz....while limited seem vastly superior to some in this thread (Again I didnt say you <3)

[Kevin Greene]

No one here hates or even dislikes DeAngelo. We would rather him A) signed to a lesser contract B) traded last year C) let walk instead of giving him $40 million that could go to a position of WEAKNESS. I'm using caps because some peoples (not you obviously)comprehension skills seem to be a bit on the shady side...perhaps it is because it is Friday and it's been a long work week.

I'm sure 100% of the Huddle would like to have DWill under contract for fewer dollars. But you know how NFL contracts are, "only" 21 million is guaranteed so the Panthers do have options down the road.

If the roster was currently Stewart, Goodson and Sutton at RB the RB position would be one Stewart foot injury away from being a position of weakness as well imho. With Stewart's inabiltiy to practice throughout his career due to his tender feet and ankles I seriously doubt he'd stand up to the rigors of being a solo feature back.

Let's hope DWill starts kicking some ass and makes us all forget his cost on the filed.

[coollhand]

I say Deangelo breaks out of that slump midway in the 2nd quarter, at Solider Field, and breaks a 40yd run for a TD!

[frash.exe]

different opinions are fine.

You were here in 05'. When we ran out of running backs.

I understand we're a verticle attacking offense, but don't downplay the importance of quality depth at a skill position.

yes and part of that was because we went into the season with a starting RB already in his 30s with no tread left on his tires. Our 2nd option was a 4th year player who spent most of 2 out of his first 3 years on injured reserve. It's not like it was such a shocker when they went down because we'd seen it before. Then that off season they extended Foster and he never played as well. This off season they re-signed a running back who finished the last 2 seasons on IR.

But in '05 the Panthers were a team with a different philosophy. When it comes to the running game today, the "star" running back design is over and done with. They get hurt way too much and if they can produce into their late 20s it's more than any team can ask for. It's not a personal thing against Williams it's just that you're much better off building a talented line that can open up running lanes, and finding a few guys with some talent that bring different abilities with them whether it be power running or being elusive and platooning them.

The Giants have something like that right now. They don't have superstars, but they have a good group of guys and a line that can run block. The Ravens are doing the same thing with Rice starting and Ricky Williams as the spell guy. It's kind of a waste of investment, especially when the offense is going to revolve around someone else anyway (Cam). We won't be needing to stack as much talent as possible at RB in the future.

[Kevin Greene]

yes and part of that was because we went into the season with a starting RB already in his 30s with no tread left on his tires.

Fortunately Dwill and Stew are 28 and 24 years old.

Our 2nd option was a 4th year player who spent most of 2 out of his first 3 years on injured reserve. It's not like it was such a shocker when they went down because we'd seen it before. Then that off season they extended Foster and he never played as well. This off season they re-signed a running back who finished the last 2 seasons on IR.

I believe in '09 when Dwill was put on the shelf with 3 games left he could have played if we didn't suck at 5-8. Rather the quest was to give Stew the ball and have two 1000 yard running backs.

But in '05 the Panthers were a team with a different philosophy. When it comes to the running game today, the "star" running back design is over and done with. They get hurt way too much and if they can produce into their late 20s it's more than any team can ask for. It's not a personal thing against Williams it's just that you're much better off building a talented line that can open up running lanes, and finding a few guys with some talent that bring different abilities with them whether it be power running or being elusive and platooning them.

The Panthers have spent draft picks on the line. Two #1 draft picks at the Tackle position and a 2nd rounder at center. Be great to have some #1s at the guard position but a team only has so many picks.

The Giants have something like that right now. They don't have superstars, but they have a good group of guys and a line that can run block. The Ravens are doing the same thing with Rice starting and Ricky Williams as the spell guy. It's kind of a waste of investment, especially when the offense is going to revolve around someone else anyway (Cam). We won't be needing to stack as much talent as possible at RB in the future.

I want nothing to do with the Giants running game. They're averaging less than 100 yards per game and a pitiful 3.6 yards per rush attempt. That puts the Giant running game at 21st in the league.

As far as Rice and Williams on the Ravens you're talking about a former 2nd and 1st round pick.

OK, I'm done. :cheers2:

[bleys]

I'll give him to his first breakout game when all the people who think he has lost a step and think his contract was a mistake change their stories to they never thought he lost a step and it was Hurney's best move of the offseason.

hard to do considering the contract was a mistake.. sure he's a top RB, we could have filled another hole for that contract though..

[bleys]

neither back is impressing on running plays.

Stewart, being the stronger back, breaks more tackles, which is why i have always loved to watch him run...but really, his running numbers are any more impressive.

So what i'm seeing is an is fans are being hard on williams, mainly cause he finially got his contract the he earned years ago.

I've heard a few ladies with an IQ below 80 spout off that Stewart needs 10 yards to get running before he can break tackles and this is why DWill is 1000X more valuable because he can escape pressure..