The NFL should issue a public apology to the Panthers.

[Carolina Fan]

It is illegal to launch into a defenseless reciever (hit w/ your helmet). it is not illegal to hit a runner with your helmet. Smith wasn't in the process of making a catch (defenseless). There are rules that apply to defenseless recievers and QBs.....that do NOT apply when the QB or WR are "runners".

I guarantee he doesn't get a fine for that.

It's hard to tell, smith barley got his head turned around i don't think smith could of done anything more then he did to avoid that hit, and that is the definition of a defenseless receiver soooo he might or might not get fined who knows...

If smith got hurt that play, he most def would have got fined though.

[CRA]

It's hard to tell, smith barley got his head turned around i don't think smith could of done anything more then he did to avoid that hit, and that is the definition of a defenseless receiver soooo he might or might not get fined who knows...

even if Carolina sends that play in.....the fact Smitty broke basically 2 tackles and went an additional 4-5 yards when that helmet hit occured pretty much proves he wasn't a defenseless reciever

[Cat'sGrowl]

That's one of my biggest issues, is that they only throw flags on big plays. It's like they're scared to let anything happen.

[Carolina Fan]

even if Carolina sends that play in.....the fact Smitty broke basically 2 tackles and went an additional 4-5 yards when that helmet hit occured pretty much proves he wasn't a defenseless reciever

we are talking about the wrong play :confused:

not talking about the one where smith bounced off that tackle like a champ

[Pantherxtreme]

The biggest tell tale sign is when the flags come out late.

Big play, blown dead, 10 to 15 seconds later a flag comes out for illegal procedure or some phantom hold, and it's called back. But there are almost never flags on lousy plays.

Yea there's never a flag when we run for 2 yards are for no gain or on a sack, but let us bust a big run ala Stewart versus Green Bay or a Touchdown ala Olsen versus Green Bay, or Shockeys TD today here comes the flags.

It's almost gotten to the point that doing certain momentum shifts during a game I can predict when a flag is about to come. I'm definitely questioning the legitimacy of the NFL these past few weeks.

[Carolina Fan]

yea there's never a flag when we run for 2 yards are for no gain or on a sack, but let us bust a big run ala stewart versus green bay or a touchdown ala olsen versus green bay, or shockeys td today here comes the flags.

It's almost gotten to the point that doing certain momentum shifts during a game i can predict when a flag is about to come. I'm definitely questioning the legitimacy of the nfl these past few weeks.

the gaimez r fixed!!@!!

[CRA]

we are talking about the wrong play :confused:

not talking about the one where smith bounced off that tackle like a champ

oh, I thought that was the one in question......the commentators even discussed it.

[csx]

yeah, the NFL wants their biggest new star to lose :rolleyes:

[beastson]

Yea there's never a flag when we run for 2 yards are for no gain or on a sack, but let us bust a big run ala Stewart versus Green Bay or a Touchdown ala Olsen versus Green Bay, or Shockeys TD today here comes the flags.

It's almost gotten to the point that doing certain momentum shifts during a game I can predict when a flag is about to come. I'm definitely questioning the legitimacy of the NFL these past few weeks.

Thats why you go public with it. NFL hate when that happens, but hey if nothing is being done you gotta found someway to get your point across

NFL isn't the NBA. Everybody has a chance any given sunday

[Swedish Butt-Whistle]

That's one of my biggest issues, is that they only throw flags on big plays. It's like they're scared to let anything happen.

Ahh man I know. It's so fuging irritating because it's the biggest plays that get overturned. Seems for the SAKE OF ENTERTAINMENT this wouldn't be the case. Time to go check into anger management cuz i'm pissed.

[monstercat]

It is illegal to launch into a defenseless reciever (hit w/ your helmet). it is not illegal to hit a runner with your helmet. Smith wasn't in the process of making a catch (defenseless). There are rules that apply to defenseless recievers and QBs.....that do NOT apply when the QB or WR are "runners".

I guarantee he doesn't get a fine for that.

You're confused. The defenseless receiver part doesn't even apply here. Stevie Wonder could see that he was using his helmet as a weapon and that is always illegal.

He will be fined.

[Carolina Fan]

oh, I thought that was the one in question......the commentators even discussed it.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011100205/2011/REG4/panthers@bears#menu=highlights&tab=recap

around 1:25

[rippadonn]

"Watching the Bears vs Panthers, I am a fan of both teams so there is no bias attached to my concern.

You must review the play in which Jeremy Shockey catches a 22 yd touchdown pass from Cam Newton. After replay there was no obvious foul on the play and the late flag is thrown only after the result of the play is a touchdown.

"Keeping it close" totally messes up the honesty that we believe should be the backbone of NFL officiating. When referees are winning games instead of the teams on the field the NFL can count themselves among the WWF and other scripted "sports".

The Panthers have had this problem with game changing late flags for a couple weeks and it is becoming obvious. Protect your brand! Keep Vegas off the field."

That is what I wrote to the NFL earlier.

[JawnyBlaze]

Again, hitting a runner with your helmet is different from spearing. There's a world of difference in a facemask hitting the side of the helmet or something while tackling and spearing. He ducked his helmet, creating a straight line from the crown of the helmet down his spine (creating the "spear") and drove into Smitty's helmet. That's never legal, defenseless or not.

You can hit a runner with your helmet. It happens in every game, every week.

Smith was no longer "defenseless reciever"......he was a runner. Different rules then apply on how you can hit him.