Football Outsiders updated Panthers statistics

[Floppin]

Actually if you're going to be correct a turnover at midfield is worth 3.8 points.

In the red-zone, end-zone or a pick 6 they're worth about 7 so you figure it out.

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[PantherProwler]

Exactly and it's Legadu Naane's fault.

[mav1234]

Exactly and it's Legadu Naane's fault.

Now you're getting it. ;)

[panthers55]

Folks now you see proof of why the old adage is that you can manipulate stats to prove anything you want. No wonder stats get such a bad rap in football parlance that many folks quip that stats are for losers.

If you can't dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullcrap. I'll let you decide who falls on either side of that equation.

[PantherProwler]

Folks now you see proof of why the old adage is that you can manipulate stats to prove anything you want. No wonder stats get such a bad rap in football parlance that many folks quip that stats are for losers.

If you can't dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullcrap. I'll let you decide who falls on either side of that equation.

Look man. I'm bored myself of this. There's no manipulation here:

Teams ranked by offensive scoring efficiency and winning record(ypp).

W1(8-0)1 Green Bay 11.5

W2(8-1) San Francisco 12.0

W3(6-3) Chicago 12.4

W4(6-3) Detroit 12.9

W5(5-4) NY Jets 13.1

W6(6-3) Cincinnati 13.2

W7(6-3) Baltimore 13.6

W8 (7-3) New Orleans14.0

W9(5-4) Buffalo 14.1

W10(7-3) Houston 14.5

W11(6-3) New England 15.0

L12(4-5) Denver 15.2

W13(5-4) Atlanta 15.4

W14(5-4) Tennessee 15.4

W15(6-3) NY Giants 15.4

L16(3-6) Arizona 15.7

L17(5-4) Dallas 16.3

L18(2-7) Minnesota 16.4

L19(4-5) San Diego 16.5

W20(5-4) Oakland 16.7

L21(3-6) Philadelphia 17.1

W22(7-3) Pittsburgh 17.4

L23(2-7) Miami 18.3

L24(3-6) Seattle 18.7

L25(2-7) Carolina 18.9

L26(3-6) Jacksonville 19.1

L27(4-5) Tampa Bay 19.1

L28(4-5) Kansas City 19.6

L29(3-6) Cleveland 20.2

L30(3-6) Washington 20.5

L31(0-10) Indianapolis 21.0

L32(2-7) St Louis 24.7

It is what it is. Offensive efficiency = winning or losing. You can either look at those rankings and say they have been manipulated or you can either accept that's a ranking of the most efficient offenses in the league and it shows what it shows and its the most important statistic in football(YPP).

Frankly I'm surprised so many of you sit around and talk draft, routes, offensive plays, schemes, position plays, and a bunch of other things that sound good, but you don't get the above. You don't get the importance of a turnover. You don't get the importance of strength of schedule. You don't get the importance of comeback winning or game winning drives. Completion percentage. An efficient offense. And why points matter more than yards. Not to mention a QB who is ranked nearly the bottom of the league in everything except yards might have something to do with all of the above. And why all of the above makes you an inefficient offense and gives you a losing record.

In the end, it makes no difference to me.

[panthers55]

Look man. I'm bored myself of this. There's no manipulation here:

Teams ranked by offensive scoring efficiency and winning record(ypp).

W1(8-0)1 Green Bay 11.5

W2(8-1) San Francisco 12.0

W3(6-3) Chicago 12.4

W4(6-3) Detroit 12.9

W5(5-4) NY Jets 13.1

W6(6-3) Cincinnati 13.2

W7(6-3) Baltimore 13.6

W8 (7-3) New Orleans14.0

W9(5-4) Buffalo 14.1

W10(7-3) Houston 14.5

W11(6-3) New England 15.0

L12(4-5) Denver 15.2

W13(5-4) Atlanta 15.4

W14(5-4) Tennessee 15.4

W15(6-3) NY Giants 15.4

L16(3-6) Arizona 15.7

L17(5-4) Dallas 16.3

L18(2-7) Minnesota 16.4

L19(4-5) San Diego 16.5

W20(5-4) Oakland 16.7

L21(3-6) Philadelphia 17.1

W22(7-3) Pittsburgh 17.4

L23(2-7) Miami 18.3

L24(3-6) Seattle 18.7

L25(2-7) Carolina 18.9

L26(3-6) Jacksonville 19.1

L27(4-5) Tampa Bay 19.1

L28(4-5) Kansas City 19.6

L29(3-6) Cleveland 20.2

L30(3-6) Washington 20.5

L31(0-10) Indianapolis 21.0

L32(2-7) St Louis 24.7

It is what it is. Offensive efficiency = winning or losing. You can either look at those rankings and say they have been manipulated or you can either accept that's a ranking of the most efficient offenses in the league and it shows what it shows and its the most important statistic in football(YPP).

Frankly I'm surprised so many of you sit around and talk draft, routes, offensive plays, schemes, position plays, and a bunch of other things that sound good, but you don't get the above. You don't get the importance of a turnover. You don't get the importance of strength of schedule. You don't get the importance of comeback winning or game winning drives. Completion percentage. An efficient offense. And why points matter more than yards. Not to mention a QB who is ranked nearly the bottom of the league in everything except yards might have something to do with all of the above. And why all of the above makes you an inefficient offense and gives you a losing record.

In the end, it makes no difference to me.

[chef17]

In the end, it makes no difference to me.

Then why are you still arguing it?

[Jangler]

[Marguide]

Here's my list, and it contains just 2 outliers.

Better yet, any 8 year old can calculate it, as it is just: Points Scored-Points Allowed. Done.

W(8-0) Green Bay +134

W(7-3) Houston +107

W(8-1) San Francisco +95

W(7-3) New Orleans +85

W(6-3) Baltimore +73

W](6-3) Detroit +68

W(6-3) New England +59

W(6-3) Chicago +50

W(6-3) Cincinnati +48

W(7-3) Pittsburgh +41

W(5-4) Dallas +41

L(3-6) Philadelphia +17 Outlier

W(5-4) Atlanta +16

[W(5-4) Tennessee +14

W(5-4) Buffalo +11

E(5-5) NY Jets +11

W(6-3) NY Giants +7

L(4-5) San Diego -12

L(2-7) Miami -20

W(5-4) Oakland -25 Outlier

L(3-6) Arizona -30

E(5-5) Denver -42

L(3-6) Washington -42

L(2-7) Carolina -47

L(3-6) Jacksonville -51

L(3-6) Cleveland -52

L(3-6) Seattle -58

L(2-7) Minnesota -65

L(4-5) Tampa Bay -77

L(4-5) Kansas City -77

L(2-7) St Louis -110

L(0-10) Indianapolis -169

[TheRealDeal]

I take responsibility for this thread when I bumped it after it only had 1 reply in 3 hours.

Shame on me

[teeray]

I take responsibility for this thread when I bumped it after it only had 1 reply in 3 hours.

Shame on me

You just did it again!! :jc:

[TheRealDeal]

I'll give you my response on Monday

[teeray]

It will be hard to contain my excitement.

[TheRealDeal]

I heard that about you....