Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Team Needs

Delhommey

By Delhommey,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

Fiz Newbie

Fiz

Posted
Posted

Ryne Robinson was a pretty big disappointment in '07, and given his feminine tendency to shy away from contact, I don't have too much faith in him. Step on up, Jason Carter.

he had a rough start but really came on towards the end of the year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

was it worse than jones being run out by the kicker..

Jones was average and productive. Robinson had 875 horrible returns and 3 good ones.....people put too much emphasis on those 3 and not enough on all the horrible ones.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rayzor Grand Master

rayzor

Posted
Posted

Jones was average and productive. Robinson had 875 horrible returns and 3 good ones.....people put too much emphasis on those 3 and not enough on all the horrible ones.

exaggerate much?

26 KRs

30 PRs

at the beginning he was hesitant to make contact but after he got done talking to Fox he was a whole lot less hesitant and started to trust what was happening in front of him.

he really started to turn things around the 2nd half of the season.

after the bye week(7) his KR avg was 29.5 and in his last two games he had one return for 42 and another for 60. his PR average after the bye was 10.5. this was in his rookie year when he was just starting to get a feel for the game.

This was Mark Jones 5th year. Until 2007 he had predominately been used as a PR guy at the giants (his rookie year) and the bucs. it wasn't until his 4th year that he started to get it. Robinson started to get it during his first season. Is he a lock for the return position? probably not yet...but his upside is higher than Mark Jones' is, imo.

compare Jones' career stats here to robinson's here

Robinson for sure is one of the most ambitious players we have and many on the team have talked about how much they like him. Considering him a little Steve Smith is no small compliment. I have little doubt that Ryne would have matched or beaten Mark Jones stats in '08.

I'm glad we had Jones last year but i believe that Robinson can and will do better.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dexterpyro Newbie

dexterpyro

Posted
Posted

Jones was average and productive. Robinson had 875 horrible returns and 3 good ones.....people put too much emphasis on those 3 and not enough on all the horrible ones.

Thank you. That makes alot of sense. When it comes to special teams in the NFL, you want consistencey. I mean its Great if somone can return it to the house on a kickoff 2 times in a season but what happens if he fumbles 4 times. I much rather have a returner that can give us an average start of the 25 yard line with no fumbles than one who averages the 30 yd kine with two fumbles

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

Thank you. That makes alot of sense. When it comes to special teams in the NFL, you want consistencey. I mean its Great if somone can return it to the house on a kickoff 2 times in a season but what happens if he fumbles 4 times. I much rather have a returner that can give us an average start of the 25 yard line with no fumbles than one who averages the 30 yd kine with two fumbles

I'll take a Mark Jones over Robinson any day. Jones produced, Robinson sucked. That said, I'll take a legit playmaker any day of the week and deal w/ the negativies over an average guy like Jones.......at least on a conservative team like Carolina.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

exaggerate much?

26 KRs

30 PRs

at the beginning he was hesitant to make contact but after he got done talking to Fox he was a whole lot less hesitant and started to trust what was happening in front of him.

he really started to turn things around the 2nd half of the season.

after the bye week(7) his KR avg was 29.5 and in his last two games he had one return for 42 and another for 60. his PR average after the bye was 10.5. this was in his rookie year when he was just starting to get a feel for the game.

This was Mark Jones 5th year. Until 2007 he had predominately been used as a PR guy at the giants (his rookie year) and the bucs. it wasn't until his 4th year that he started to get it. Robinson started to get it during his first season. Is he a lock for the return position? probably not yet...but his upside is higher than Mark Jones' is, imo.

compare Jones' career stats here to robinson's here

Robinson for sure is one of the most ambitious players we have and many on the team have talked about how much they like him. Considering him a little Steve Smith is no small compliment. I have little doubt that Ryne would have matched or beaten Mark Jones stats in '08.

I'm glad we had Jones last year but i believe that Robinson can and will do better.

Robinson stunk as a returner.

There has been nothing to suggest he is a "little Steve Smith". I know Smith personally likes him.......and thus he says nice things about him. Smith also talks highly of Delhomme's ability.....b/c he likes him personally.

I'm glad we had Jones last year also. It was nice to not have the worst unit in the league for a change. Robinson has given us no real reason to believe he will do better than his 1st season......saying he can do better than Jones is going a bit overboard. imo. Too much emphasis on too little.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

Jones was largely Rod Smart II when it came to returns, but he wasn;t the special teamer Smart was.

Smart could take one the distance if set up.....Jones simply doesn't have the speed to take one all the way.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rayzor Grand Master

rayzor

Posted
Posted

Robinson stunk as a returner.

There has been nothing to suggest he is a "little Steve Smith". I know Smith personally likes him.......and thus he says nice things about him. Smith also talks highly of Delhomme's ability.....b/c he likes him personally.

I'm glad we had Jones last year also. It was nice to not have the worst unit in the league for a change. Robinson has given us no real reason to believe he will do better than his 1st season......saying he can do better than Jones is going a bit overboard. imo. Too much emphasis on too little.

you're right. numbers mean nothing.

the fact that he was a rookie meant nothing.

the fact that it was more than smith that spoke highly of him and saw similarities mean nothing.

he has no chance to improve and should be cut outright and we should go ask for mark jones back. our return game will suck because ryne will be the return man and not jones.

you win.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted

Smart could take one the distance if set up.....Jones simply doesn't have the speed to take one all the way.

I'd agree Smart was likely faster than Jones, but I'm not sure appreciably so.

Smart also had the benefit of having special teams guru (and colossal prick) Scott O'Brien in charge of ST at the time.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • SOJA
      Former RB Mike Davis on Rhule and CMC

      By SOJA · Posted

      hiring matt rhule and giving him full control was maybe the worst singular decision this franchise has ever made outside of Rae Caruth 
    • TheSpecialJuan
      Thielen traded

      By TheSpecialJuan · Posted

      Vikings bring back WR Thielen from Panthers Vikings get: WR Adam Thielen, conditional 2026 seventh-round pick, 2027 fifth-round pick Panthers get: 2026 fifth-round pick, 2027 fourth-round pick Vikings grade: A- Panthers grade: C+ The Vikings have re-united with their longtime receiver Adam Thielen. Assuming the conditions of the 2026 pick headed to Minnesota are met, the Vikings will have moved back two rounds in next year's draft and one round in 2027's draft to acquire the single year remaining on the 35-year-old receiver's contract. This is fine business. The Vikings' receiver depth will be tested early this season, as WR3 speedster Jalen Nailor recovers from a hand injury and WR2 Jordan Addison serves a three-game suspension. Depth receiver Rondale Moore had a season-ending knee injury early this offseason, leaving rookie Tai Felton and veteran Tim Jones as the depth behind Justin Jefferson to start the season. Thielen should slot right into a familiar offense and provide a good safety blanket for young quarterback J.J. McCarthy, who needs strong early performances in September to boost his confidence and generate some positive momentum. I like the deal a lot for that reason: McCarthy won't spend the first three starts of his NFL career endeavoring to make up for bad receiver play. This is actually a bigger risk for the Panthers than it appears. From Week 8 on last season -- the stretch in which quarterback Bryce Young came back and looked solid -- Thielen was the Panthers' best receiver. Sure, guys like Jalen Coker and Ja'Tavion Sanders were having breakout games, and the backs were getting involved as pass catchers, but it was Thielen who drove the ship. Thielen averaged 2.47 yards per route run in that stretch, which was the 14th best number in the NFL. He also caught 80% of his targets when Coker and Xavier Legette caught 63.2% and 56.4%, respectively. Thielen was so valuable that the Panthers gave him a raise in March worth $1.5 million to encourage him to stave off retirement. The drafting of first-round receiver Tetairoa McMillan always foretold a decrease in target share for Thielen. But keeping Thielen around for another year would have helped smooth the transition. Now the Panthers enter the season with a starting receiver trio (McMillan, Coker and Legette) full of big-play potential but no proven chemistry with Young over the middle of the field. That's an important cornerstone of the Panthers' offensive system that needs replacing. -- Solak
    • kungfoodude
      Observer Projections / *Updated Panthers Waiver Additions

      By kungfoodude · Posted

      I would question that assertion. He stinks.
×
×
  • Create New...