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[mav1234]

452 attempts to 198. tell me who is going to have more picks. Also let me know when The Golden Calf of Bristol has 40+ att in a single game.

The Golden Calf of Bristol threw 40 passes this week and 39 vs Detroit (and he threw one pick in each game). Last year he had a game with over 40 I think.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Overall 8-3 as a starter?

hahaha yes the lord does work in mysterious ways.

Was it The Golden Calf of Bristol whispering in Marion Barber's ear to cause him to inexplicably run out of bounds?

[Eazy-E]

Why does he have to have 40 attempts?

Obviously Cam is going to have more picks, he's not a very good passer and has more attempts.

I don't think you understand how picks per attempts works. Cam throws interceptions at a rate 3 times higher than The Golden Calf of Bristol. That's crazy considering how slow and terrible The Golden Calf of Bristol's motion is. Wait, it gets crazier. The Golden Calf of Bristol throws TDs at a rate twice as high as Cam Newton. fug. Throws more TDs and less Ints? Beast mode.

Stop trolling and man up. Im not going to play childish games with you. The offenses are different. Coaches ask Cam to throw the ball while Fox tells The Golden Calf of Bristol not to. That is why The Golden Calf of Bristol will go multiple quarters without even registering a passing attempt.

[TheRealDeal]

hahaha yes the lord does work in mysterious ways.

Was it The Golden Calf of Bristol whispering in Marion Barber's ear to cause him to inexplicably run out of bounds?

Not sure what happened, also not sure what happened when Brandon Marshall ran out of bounds against the Jets. Those things happen.

I was a The Golden Calf of Bristol hater and never thought he would succeed, he has almost zero tools at the NFL level but what I cannot argue with or hate on is his production and his leadership and of course, wins.

Obviously this board is going to say Cam is better but they would say he's better than everyone save Rodgers, if you really look at him and look at what he's doing, his overall impact to that team, you'd like what you see.

I think eventually he'll have to evolve because even God can't keep bailing him out and whether he does or not will determine his long term success.

[CRA]

Why does he have to have 40 attempts?

Obviously Cam is going to have more picks, he's not a very good passer and has more attempts.

I don't think you understand how picks per attempts works. Cam throws interceptions at a rate 3 times higher than The Golden Calf of Bristol. That's crazy considering how slow and terrible The Golden Calf of Bristol's motion is. Wait, it gets crazier. The Golden Calf of Bristol throws TDs at a rate twice as high as Cam Newton. fug. Throws more TDs and less Ints? Beast mode.

lol....

The Golden Calf of Bristol doesn' t throw the football.....defenses fall asleep and get tired of devoting attention to WRs he is not throwing to and then they overplay the run. He is closer to a RB who can throw than a QB that can run right now. So........

It is simply silly to compare The Golden Calf of Bristol's stats to anyone playing QB. Cam throws a pick about as often as Dalton. They are both rookies LEARNING. It happens, both Newton and Dalton INTs at smaller rate than many pros right now.

[TheRealDeal]

Stop trolling and man up. Im not going to play childish games with you. The offenses are different. Coaches ask Cam to throw the ball with Fox tells The Golden Calf of Bristol not to. That is why The Golden Calf of Bristol will go multiple quarters without even registering a passing attempt.

Do you understand that doing it on a per attempt basis evens the playing field?

Yes, The Golden Calf of Bristol is asked to throw less but when he does throw it, it's to his own team.

You would think based on your logic that Cam would have way more TDs right because he has way more attempts, not the case.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw it as much as Cam, he'd have 25 TDs and 5 picks. If Cam threw it as little as The Golden Calf of Bristol, he'd have 7 TDs and 7 picks.

[BBQ&Beer]

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Overall 8-3 as a starter?

Yeah, & the wildcat took Miami to 11-5.

[Eazy-E]

lol....

The Golden Calf of Bristol doesn' t throw the football.....defenses fall asleep and get tired of devoting attention to WRs he is not throwing to and then they overplay the run. He is closer to a RB who can throw than a QB that can run right now. So........

It is simply silly to compare The Golden Calf of Bristol's stats to anyone playing QB. Cam throws a pick about as often as Dalton. They are both rookies LEARNING. It happens, both Newton and Dalton INTs at smaller rate than many pros right now.

According to TRD's logic The Golden Calf of Bristol is a better passer than Rivers.

[TheRealDeal]

Rivers is having a terrible year this year.

Thread title is Newton v The Golden Calf of Bristol, please stay on topic.

[frash.exe]

Do you understand that doing it on a per attempt basis evens the playing field?

Yes, The Golden Calf of Bristol is asked to throw less but when he does throw it, it's to his own team.

You would think based on your logic that Cam would have way more TDs right because he has way more attempts, not the case.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw it as much as Cam, he'd have 25 TDs and 5 picks. If Cam threw it as little as The Golden Calf of Bristol, he'd have 7 TDs and 7 picks.

Forum Protip: the above post is a good example of stupid people who don't understand the perils of extrapolation

[mav1234]

Not sure what happened, also not sure what happened when Brandon Marshall ran out of bounds against the Jets. Those things happen.

I was a The Golden Calf of Bristol hater and never thought he would succeed, he has almost zero tools at the NFL level but what I cannot argue with or hate on is his production and his leadership and of course, wins.

Obviously this board is going to say Cam is better but they would say he's better than everyone save Rodgers, if you really look at him and look at what he's doing, his overall impact to that team, you'd like what you see.

I think eventually he'll have to evolve because even God can't keep bailing him out and whether he does or not will determine his long term success.

I do like what I see with The Golden Calf of Bristol.

But the thing is, most objective individuals will say that they'd rather build around Cam as a quarterback than The Golden Calf of Bristol, even if The Golden Calf of Bristol is having a great year and is helping his team.

Most would also say Cam is probably a better passer right now, but The Golden Calf of Bristol is much better at finding ways to win. Obviously that is what you want in a QB, but you also would like to see a bit more passing ability than just "lots of TDs per attempt!"

[Eazy-E]

Do you understand that doing it on a per attempt basis evens the playing field?

Yes, The Golden Calf of Bristol is asked to throw less but when he does throw it, it's to his own team.

You would think based on your logic that Cam would have way more TDs right because he has way more attempts, not the case.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw it as much as Cam, he'd have 25 TDs and 5 picks. If Cam threw it as little as The Golden Calf of Bristol, he'd have 7 TDs and 7 picks.

He does have more TDs. add 13 to the 15 passing. Both The Golden Calf of Bristol and Cam have the ability to run and pass. Cam has more passing and rushing TDs!

[mav1234]

If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw it as much as Cam, he'd have 25 TDs and 5 picks. If Cam threw it as little as The Golden Calf of Bristol, he'd have 7 TDs and 7 picks.

Only if the current ratios stood. The thing is, I doubt this would be the case if The Golden Calf of Bristol threw as much as Cam did. He might still have fewer INTs but he also would likely have fewer TDs than what you would expect given his numbers. The reason is that if The Golden Calf of Bristol threw as much as Cam, defenses would play him differently. Right now, defenses that play the Broncos key in on stopping the run and force The Golden Calf of Bristol to beat them with his arm; for 3/4ths of the game he simply can't do it.

Course who knows, maybe in our offense he would be able to since we'd just let him sit in the shotgun...

[TheRealDeal]

Obviously, but when people said Cam Newton was a top 5 QB in the NFL, it's hard to have subjective discussions on what makes who a good passer. I never said I would take The Golden Calf of Bristol over Cam to build around and I do think Cam is a better QB, but that's my opinion and everything in the world is proving that opinion wrong right now. It won't matter for 2 more years anyway when we have to decide to extend Cam or let him walk.

[mav1234]

He does have more TDs. add 13 to the 15 passing. Both The Golden Calf of Bristol and Cam have the ability to run and pass. Cam has more passing and rushing TDs!

The Golden Calf of Bristol has 14 total TDs in 9 games played this season, Cam has 28 in 13... but again a bit unfair of a comparison imo