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i had an interesting conversation with a draftnik about nawrocki on twitter

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oh. i haven't been impressed with that guy. seems too much of a newb. i've been following him as well.

Small part of St. Louis Rams Scouting Department during '10 Training Camp & '11 NFL Draft. Elon Grad.

both of them admitted something during that conversation that i thought was worth noting when lookin at theirs or any evaluation.

SidelineFB @JoshNorris Biggest mistake draft pundits make is seeing product on tape and grading that rather than grading what that player MIGHT become

SidelineFB @JoshNorris Coaches and people close to the game just see things that sometimes we can't just because of their experience in the game

JoshNorris @SidelineFB I consider that quite a bit, trust me. Admittedly, I haven't been doing this long enough to be comfortable with it.
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You mean to tell me this guy, who admits being in the media bubble and not in the real world is using hearsay in this media world?

Blasphemy.

Honestly man if you didn't know all this BS already, I'd think you're the one in the bubble.

Or maybe you were just trying to get him to expose/admit how worthless/inaccurate he and his work is...good luck getting anyone in the media to admit that. Way too much time on your hands. Although personally, I would have taken his 'bubble' comment as saying just this.

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The bottomline is, the media wanted to put Cam in a bad light so teams would fear him and not choose him high in the draft. It was quite obvious during the Combine. It was clear that those in the media had an agenda when it came to Cam.

As a matter of fact, they went after Mallett hard also but backed off when his stock started to drop because of his attitude. The fact that Cam's stock wasn't dropping with all that they were saying about him, seemed to have infuriated them. Not to long after that, the Nolan article came out.

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oh. i haven't been impressed with that guy. seems too much of a newb. i've been following him as well.

both of them admitted something during that conversation that i thought was worth noting when lookin at theirs or any evaluation.

Yea, but that's because he is a newb at scouting. It's his second year doing it professionally.

Yea, it's really hard to do when your profiling 300+ guys for a draft. I think most draft guys try and accomplish that goal of projecting players, sometimes though your going to miss something with a few players when your looking at that many prospects.

I've seen Brockers flash a lot and I've also seen him pushed back/out of gap protection in some games as well. He's got the most upside out of any Dline prospect in this draft, he's right up there with Coples on potential. Most of what I don't like about Brockers can be taught, Most of the time when he looks bad it's because of his technique. (which is pretty poor sometimes, he plays really high when coming out of his stance and that hurts him a lot when rushing the passer.)

I agree with both of them on 3-4 part though and I said this from the start of the Brocker's love fest here, that he's a 3-4 End in the NFL. If Carolina was moving to a 3-4 full time, then I'd be all over taking him at 8/9 because I think he's going to be a big time player at the End spot 3-4 wise.

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Yea, but that's because he is a newb at scouting. It's his second year doing it professionally.

Yea, it's really hard to do when your profiling 300+ guys for a draft. I think most draft guys try and accomplish that goal of projecting players, sometimes though your going to miss something with a few players when your looking at that many prospects.

I've seen Brockers flash a lot and I've also seen him pushed back/out of gap protection in some games as well. He's got the most upside out of any Dline prospect in this draft, he's right up there with Coples on potential. Most of what I don't like about Brockers can be taught, Most of the time when he looks bad it's because of his technique. (which is pretty poor sometimes, he plays really high when coming out of his stance and that hurts him a lot when rushing the passer.)

I agree with both of them on 3-4 part though and I said this from the start of the Brocker's love fest here, that he's a 3-4 End in the NFL. If Carolina was moving to a 3-4 full time, then I'd be all over taking him at 8/9 because I think he's going to be a big time player at the End spot 3-4 wise.

i think he would be just fine and even excel as a UT/3 tech in a 4-3.

i don't know why he wouldn't.

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you should ask him. he said he talked to two of the same "sources".

i doubt he's going to respond to me anymore.

Probably the GMs of teams who either

a) wanted Newton for themselves

b) in our division and didn't want the Panthers to draft him.

It's just too damned easy to put comments out about someone with no facts.

To me, if you a person can put those kinds of comments in cyberspace, own them.

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