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Hurney is given too much credit

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Our main interest in free agency this offseason was special teams ace and former charger Steve Gregory. While many thought having our interests focused primarily on a special teams player during the FA period was nothing short of pathetic, people with a brain have noticed that our special teams have been consistently inconsistent for years and recognized this as Hurney's chance to finally prove to everyone that he is finally going to put some emphasis on fixing our special teams unit. After Gregory signed with us, it would have been a great situation for everyone. The haters would rejoice because they would be disappointed with signing a nobody and would have something to bitch about until the draft, and it would be great for the Hurney riders because he would be improving our team for cheap, and he would appear sensible because he's not throwing money at everything.

The result: the Patriots take all of five minutes to think about who they want and they sign who they want. I know people will say "but they gave him starter money, and we weren't looking for a new starter at safety", and I respond with "huh?". We had a chance to finally put some effort into fixing our special teams, but we bitched out because we told him we wanted him for special teams only (so we could pay him $50/game) as if our safeties are something to brag about. The Patriots don't know if he will pan out as a starter, but if things don't work out, he can always play special teams. They can do this because they actually have some money in their bank accounts. What appeared to be a low risk/high reward kind of player that can be brought in without a second thought, turns out to be a tough hurdle for Hurney to handle. Everything is a high risk situation according to poor old Hurney.

The other player we were interested in was Jason Brown (or John or whatever), the player who would help us reverse the negatives of releasing our overpaid starting OG to save ourselves the cap space (space which we'll use on something?), and when signed, would make Hurney look like a cap-saving wizard and overall sexy man. Well it turns out, Hurney lowballed the man so hard, he made Brown question his football career and maybe even question the meaning of his existence considering he had to take the weekend off to consider getting paid to play with a lemon-shaped ball. Brown has yet to call us back, not only because he was insulted and had his ego molested by Hurney, but because he was so confused that someone could actually offer him $10,000 to play an entire season in the NFL. We cut our starting OG, so we can bring in whoever else for "cheap", but football players and Hurney seem to have have two completely different ideas of the word "cheap".

Hurney isn't the magician the riders make him out to be. He's not a patient assassin lurking in the shadows waiting for the right targets to pounce on. He's not on his twitter reading Joe Person updates laughing his ass off at all the dumbasses signing players for actual money. If you don't imagine Hurney waiting by his phone facepalming every 45 minutes after agents laugh at his offers, then you got the wrong idea of our general manager. I'm not saying this proves that Hurney is incompetent though, nor am I saying that he needs to be replaced as soon as now, but face it guys, he's not a wizard, he's not a pioneer, he's not an old sage with infinite wisdom. He's not cheap either. He's broke. Talk about our cap all you want, but these are the actions of a man with no money.

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I agree, the proof is...well in our team. Hurney needs to change what he is doing because we have years of proof it isn't working. You can claim you want to build a team through the draft all you want, doesn't mean you have the ability to do that.

Not only that but Hurney has made a lot of mistakes recently. I always thought he was an average GM but the longer he goes rambling on about building through the draft without actually fielding a winning team the less credit he is going to get. Average GM gets you average players and you end up with an average record (like we are). People say he nails first rounders but if you look harder you'll see his misses are also usually high picks.

I think he is overrated by panther fans but what do you expect? For me, it's not hard to imagine success without Hurney.

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I am ashamed to be associated with the lot of you in fandom.

I will say this one last friggin' time:

HURNEY. PICKS. WHO. THE. COACHES. WANT. PERIOD.

His job is cap management. We pay what it takes to retain the players that want and deserve to be here, we don't overpay for outside talent on a whim, and we primarily build through the draft, picking players that the COACHES feel they need.

If you want a GM that picks the players that HE wants, then go look at A.J. Smith of the Chargers (who is notoriously despised through most of the league.)

This is Rivera's club now, and Hurney will pick the players Ron really feels need to be here. The only year that Hurney picked on his own was 2010, and that was because Fox was a walking lame duck. But the years before that, it was primarily Fox wanting to trade up for Otah, and Fox wanting to grab Armanti, and Fox lobbying to get Ken Lucas, and Fox wanting to let Peppers walk because he didn't feel that Peppers wanted to be here.

But Hurney's job is to manage the cap, and make money for the players that the coaches target. That's it. And he's pretty damn good at that particular task. If you're looking for a talent savant, that's really not the job Richardson wants him doing, because Hurney doesn't coach or train the players. He runs the scouting department, they put together the grades to pass to the coaching staff, and then together they figure out who and what to target. If we go the next several years with bad drafts that's going to be on Rivera, not Hurney. And I've liked what I've seen out of Rivera, I think he identifies talent very well (he was the one lusting after Cam, after all.)

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