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Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?


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Until we know what they pay Stewart, what we have is this year's salaries. Adrian Peterson alone makes more than Williams, Stewart and Tolbert together. Add Harvin, and Gerhart and you have more than our salaries this year. Need more???

Assume Stewart gets a comparable deal to Williams. There isn't a team who has invested that heavily....

Also, unlike a Peterson.... A large chuck of our money will be spending a high percentage of snaps on the sideline. Talent and cash on the sidelines ain't good....no point trying to spin that.

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Happens every year to multiple teams. Last year we had as much sitting on the bench due to injuries than we had in the backfield. If one of them goes down then we are damn happy we have a starter in their place. If they both stay healthy, then great. I would hate to trade Stewart and then have something happen to Williams for even a few games, we would be screwed.

Having a guy on IR isn't comparable to a healthy guy who is standing on the sideline. Goes back to you trying to compare Williams production in 16 games to a guy who was healthy for 7. You don't pay guys a lot of money to not be big parts of your offense.....injures happen and is a completely different conversation.

Easy to find RBs that can produce if the offense is good. Of they both went down we wouldn't be screwed. Not with Cam and Tolbert.

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if stew does leave i don't think it will be (primarily) because of money. i remember seeing interviews with him saying that he wants to go down as one of the greatest ever. i think that is also evident in his play style and even the way he's built. the dude has clearly worked his ass off to get in the kind of shape he's in. no other running back in the nfl has his blend of size and speed. he won't be able to reach that goal here in carolina as long as he's splitting carries.

anyways, if he does leave i think it will because he wants to be a workhorse type back and get 20+ carries a game.

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Assume Stewart gets a comparable deal to Williams. There isn't a team who has invested that heavily....

Also, unlike a Peterson.... A large chuck of our money will be spending a high percentage of snaps on the sideline. Talent and cash on the sidelines ain't good....no point trying to spin that.

Assuming and hypotheticals are whatever you make them. Right now there are other teams that have spent more than us. Next year is next year lets see what happens. right now you are wrong.

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Is Williams contract front loaded? Yes and no. For example it wasn't backloaded with a low salary the first year and bigger hits each year thereafter and his cap hit next year is less than this year. But his salary does go up significantly in 2014 and 2015. I think it was structured to give us some cap relief next year and postpone the big hits until the cap goes up in 2014. But it isn't totally frontloaded.

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Assuming and hypotheticals are whatever you make them. Right now there are other teams that have spent more than us. Next year is next year lets see what happens. right now you are wrong.

No.

To invest in a position is more than money. If we pay Stewart then we will have more financially invested more than any team. On top, unlike most teams highly paid talent a chunk would be on the sidelines and not the field.

We are the only team to spend 2 first round picks in 3 years on RBs. From a talent aspect, we have also invested with our draft picks more heavily than any team in the NFL in this passing era.

No team is managing their backfield like Carolina is doing. Simple and plain.

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No.

To invest in a position is more than money. If we pay Stewart then we will have more financially invested more than any team. On top, unlike most teams highly paid talent a chunk would be on the sidelines and not the field.

We are the only team to spend 2 first round picks in 3 years on RBs. From a talent aspect, we have also invested with our draft picks more heavily than any team in the NFL in this passing era.

No team is managing their backfield like Carolina is doing. Simple and plain.

I think a lot of those issues were trying to cover up the real issue: Fox keeping a job.. essentially everything that happened from 2008-2010 was the rise and fall of a coach that just couldn't get it done consistently...

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There are some backs who can handle 300 carries and 70 catches like Maurice Jones Drew and Michael Turner. But the majority of guys can't. The problem with using Stewart like that is that he is such a punishing runner, 150 carries is like 250 to a back that goes down easier and doesn't bounce off tacklers. Williams just isn't effective between the tackles so you are going to run outside a lot or have to use someone like Tolbert or Stewart to pound it inside. So for us it is 2 man job. That just the way we roll.

Good points, but we need to roll cheaper. Wish we could keep Stew on a second contract and draft a scatback. Between the scat back and Tolbert, We could keep Stewart's carries around 200. DWill is expensive for a guy who can't run between the tackles--as you say.

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