Something I Dont Understand In Regards To Drafting

[Dash Global]

Another example.

Player A.

CB: 6'0 ft / 200 lbs / 4.3 forty / 43 tackles / 5 ints

Player B.

CB: 5'9 ft / 175 lbs / 4.6 forty / 52 tackles / 6 ints

Why in the HELL would a FO draft player B over player A?!?

Doesnt make no sense to me.

[Dash Global]

How many Smitty's are there in the league?

Also he was drafted as a PR and slot receiver imo for which he is not undersized.

Some of you cats are missing my point. Im not say to draft off measurables alone. You want the total package or as close to it as you can get as with good coaching you can teach better technique ect.

[Floppin]

Maybe he is Quan Sturdivant and is upset about having to pay to move his stuff across country.

More than likely just a UNC homer.

[Dash Global]

More than likely just a UNC homer.

No im just pissed we wasted a pick on a scrub slow ass LB that will never be a starting LB.

When we could have got a fast good sized potential starting LB that was very productive in college.

[Floppin]

He missed 5 games with a hamstring injury and his production suffered. More than likely it's that simple, and there is something that caused our FO to rate him lower than Wilson. All you're doing is looking at numbers, quit beating yourself up over a 6th round LB/special teams depth pick.

[mwright350]

Another example.

Player A.

CB: 6'0 ft / 200 lbs / 4.3 forty / 43 tackles / 5 ints

Player B.

CB: 5'9 ft / 175 lbs / 4.6 forty / 52 tackles / 6 ints

Why in the HELL would a FO draft player B over player A?!?

Doesnt make no sense to me.

Player A [has a weed problem / is lazy / does not have the football IQ to grasp a pro style scheme / beats his girlfriend / is extremely inconsistent at workouts / gives off the vibe during interviews that he's only in it for the money / has a reputation as a locker room cancer]. Take your pick.

Frankly I'm befuddled - for a few reasons. Primarily: your most recent example asks the wrong question because it's 2 parts. Part 1: Why not draft Player A - answered above. Part 2: why draft Player B - likely because he's the best fit of the remaining options. All things being equal I'm sure they would take player A...but all things are never equal.

Secondary confusion: A few posts ago you state that anyone who drafts on measurables alone is foolish but then give an example in which no room is made for immeasurables.

**edit**

I'd like to request that we change the title of this thread to "Why didn't we draft Quan Sturdivant"

[rayzor]

Another example.

Player A.

CB: 6'0 ft / 200 lbs / 4.3 forty / 43 tackles / 5 ints

Player B.

CB: 5'9 ft / 175 lbs / 4.6 forty / 52 tackles / 6 ints

Why in the HELL would a FO draft player B over player A?!?

Doesnt make no sense to me.

it depends on if that CB is better in coverage and his name is janoris jenkins. dude has proven throughout his college career that a height advantage isn't really an advantage at all.

oh...and talking about CBs....more stats doesn't mean better. it means picked on more and there's usually a reason for that.

[BBQ&Beer]

Player A [has a weed problem / is lazy / does not have the football IQ to grasp a pro style scheme / beats his girlfriend / is extremely inconsistent at workouts / gives off the vibe during interviews that he's only in it for the money / has a reputation as a locker room cancer]. Take your pick.

Frankly I'm befuddled - for a few reasons. Primarily: your most recent example asks the wrong question because it's 2 parts. Part 1: Why not draft Player A - answered above. Part 2: why draft Player B - likely because he's the best fit of the remaining options. All things being equal I'm sure they would take player A...but all things are never equal.

Secondary confusion: A few posts ago you state that anyone who drafts on measurables alone is foolish but then give an example in which no room is made for immeasurables.

**edit**

I'd like to request that we change the title of this thread to "Why didn't we draft Quan Sturdivant"

This^

Also, lets say both are good kids & great with their teams... Player A was in the MEAC, player B was in the SEC.

[Dash Global]

Interviews and work ethic is also important.

Again folks. I want the complete package.

Aka I dont like settling / reaching on players already at a disadvantage,

The NFL is another beast where everything is bigger, stronger, AND faster than the NCAA..

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I'm pretty sure if player A has all the measureables plus the same work ethic, commitment, health, level of competition, production, and good character as player B, we will take player A. So don't worry about it.

Would you like to throw out a specific example from this years draft? Because this really makes no sense in a vacuum.

[Man Strength]

Everyone seems to be missing the point. OP is not saying (or at least this is my take) to draft the biggest, strongest, fastest, etc player. But instead to draft the player with the minimum necessary traits to excel at their position- and who also possess quality football skills. There is a major distinction in these two ideas. Id say that Gettis and Hardy are great examples where the FO drafted guys with the basic traits usually required to excel, and the guys panned out. everette brown, lawrence wilson, captain munnerlayn (who i submit is a 4th cb at best), etc are all great examples of players who simply do not meet the necessary height/weight/speed requirements. its much more difficulty to get a really good player when they do not fit this description.

[Dash Global]

Everyone seems to be missing the point. OP is not saying (or at least this is my take) to draft the biggest, strongest, fastest, etc player. But instead to draft the player with the minimum necessary traits to excel at their position- and who also possess quality football skills. There is a major distinction in these two ideas. Id say that Gettis and Hardy are great examples where the FO drafted guys with the basic traits usually required to excel, and the guys panned out. everette brown, lawrence wilson, captain munnerlayn (who i submit is a 4th cb at best), etc are all great examples of players who simply do not meet the necessary height/weight/speed requirements. its much more difficulty to get a really good player when they do not fit this description.

Bingo!!

I am glad someone gets "it"!

Great examples btw!

This is more important in the later rounds imo as you want to draft people with potential to be starters and contribute and not just waste draft picks on guys lacking the measurables simply because "oh well its the late rounds and they never pan out anyway".

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Bingo!!

I am glad someone gets "it"!

Great examples btw!

This is more important in the later rounds imo as you want to draft people with potential to be starters and contribute and not just waste draft picks on guys lacking the measurables simply because "oh well its the late rounds and they never pan out anyway".

Ok, but the point with those examples is that Gettis had limited college production and Hardy had numerous injuries and health concerns. At that point, guys with some good measurables come with major knocks. I like the idea of drafting guys with ideal height/weight/speed but sometimes the guys with it in those rounds carry a ton of negatives.

I mean Captain Munnerlyn was a negative example and his career has produced more than anyone else listed for this team up to this point.

[csx]

Interviews and work ethic is also important.

Again folks. I want the complete package.

Aka I dont like settling / reaching on players already at a disadvantage,

The NFL is another beast where everything is bigger, stronger, AND faster than the NCAA..

They are all big strong and fast. It's the brain and character that separate them at the NFL level.