Panthers Apparently "love" Luke Kuechly

[koolkatluke]

Have no problem with Kuelchy I just want Cox or Coples more.

[CRA]

This is what the top 4 LB's on this team would look like if we add Kuechly.

Luke: 4 yrs 12 million, 7 guaranteed.

Beason: 5 yrs 50 mil, 25 guaranteed

Anderson: 5 years 22 mil, 8.5 guaranteed

Davis: 5 years 36.5 mil, 7 guaranteed.

47.5 million guaranteed starting July of last season, and lasting 4 more years, not counting salaries, and bonuses built into the contracts which could double that figure.

Well, it is silly to talk about Davis. Panthers need to quit humoring him at this point. He is done. He needs to retire....he just can't walk away.

We paid Beason prior to getting hurt. It happens.

[thefuzz]

Guys, it's not the money that I am trying to get you to look at.

It's the damn position.

43 LB's are not nearly as important as this team (Hurney) pays them.

Other teams do not do this. They pay their DT's, DE's, and CB's. We don't, and we have not been successful enough to argue that it's the right way.

My goodness...sometimes I wonder about you guys.

[panthers55]

Guys, it's not the money that I am trying to get you to look at.

It's the damn position.

43 LB's are not nearly as important as this team (Hurney) pays them.

Other teams do not do this. They pay their DT's, DE's, and CB's. We don't, and we have not been successful enough to argue that it's the right way.

My goodness...sometimes I wonder about you guys.

Obviously Hurney pays them because he does think they are important to this team and I am sure Rivera was in favor of it. So why does it matter what some other team thinks is important especially when they run different schemes. Compare us to Philly if you want since we run a similar scheme. They would tell you that linebacker is important to them after their's have sucked for a few years. Went out and brought in Ryans and are favorites to bring in Kuechly if we don't. Look at the Saints they are losing Vilma and have brought in 2 linebackers in free agency because they don't have a first or second rounder.

We have the biggest need for linebackerrs of any 4-3 team out there with 2 very questionable spots. I wonder how anyone can't see the obvious need unless they are in denial about the seriousness of Beason's and Davis's injuries.

As for paying our DEs, DTs, and corners I guess the money we paid Johnson, Edwards and Gamble doesn't count?????????

[CRA]

Guys, it's not the money that I am trying to get you to look at.

It's the damn position.

43 LB's are not nearly as important as this team (Hurney) pays them.

Other teams do not do this. They pay their DT's, DE's, and CB's. We don't, and we have not been successful enough to argue that it's the right way.

My goodness...sometimes I wonder about you guys.

Rather pay LBs than RBs.

[koolkatluke]

Obviously Hurney pays them because he does think they are important to this team and I am sure Rivera was in favor of it. So why does it matter what some other team thinks is important especially when they run different schemes. Compare us to Philly if you want since we run a similar scheme. They would tell you that linebacker is important to them after their's have sucked for a few years. Went out and brought in Ryans and are favorites to bring in Kuechly if we don't. Look at the Saints they are losing Vilma and have brought in 2 linebackers in free agency because they don't have a first or second rounder.

We have the biggest need for linebackerrs of any 4-3 team out there with 2 very questionable spots. I wonder how anyone can't see the obvious need unless they are in denial about the seriousness of Beason's and Davis's injuries.

As for paying our DEs, DTs, and corners I guess the money we paid Johnson, Edwards and Gamble doesn't count?????????

How much does Edwards Make 55 really?

CJ is the only Dlinemen making bank.

[thefuzz]

Obviously Hurney pays them because he does think they are important to this team and I am sure Rivera was in favor of it. So why does it matter what some other team thinks is important especially when they run different schemes. Compare us to Philly if you want since we run a similar scheme. They would tell you that linebacker is important to them after their's have sucked for a few years. Went out and brought in Ryans and are favorites to bring in Kuechly if we don't. Look at the Saints they are losing Vilma and have brought in 2 linebackers in free agency because they don't have a first or second rounder.

We have the biggest need for linebackerrs of any 4-3 team out there with 2 very questionable spots. I wonder how anyone can't see the obvious need unless they are in denial about the seriousness of Beason's and Davis's injuries.

As for paying our DEs, DTs, and corners I guess the money we paid Johnson, Edwards and Gamble doesn't count?????????

Please god let us be as successful as the Eagles have been over the past 10 years.

You are correct, Hurney does think that the LB position is very important, and it shows in the fact that we continue to overpay for that position.

Hey guys, the game has changed. You have to rush the passer, you have to be able to cover the WR freaks that are out there. Do you need LB's....hell yes. But you don't need 3 first rounders invested at the position over the past 6 seasons.

Who is the most successful 43 team out there right now, and please tell me how they have drafted over the past 10 seasons.

I can go ahead and fill you in....they were't drafting RB's and LB's in the first round.

[KendrickPanther]

We tried to pay Pepp and we did pay CJ. Who has this team lost recently that you would have paid instead of Beason. If you look at James Anderson's cap figure it's not that bad for a quality starter. Beason's figure is 5 this year (however it will go up). Thomas Davis was the only brain dead move but his salary has gone down to his credit.

[frash.exe]

Historically we have not gotten any kind of longevity in drafting first round linebackers like we have at other positions on defense such as CB and DE. the fact that people think we're back at square one even after using a disproportionate amount of resources at the linebacker position is very telling.

Davis may never be a starter again. It may take years for Beason to get back to play at a level he once was. This does not mean you spend your highest pick on the biggest most bestest linebacker you can find once again. This doesn't justify continuing to ignore positions that have hindered us for years.

So Claiborne or Coples or best DT on the board

[thefuzz]

We tried to pay Pepp and we did pay CJ. Who has this team lost recently that you would have paid instead of Beason. If you look at James Anderson's cap figure it's not that bad for a quality starter. Beason's figure is 5 this year (however it will go up). Thomas Davis was the only brain dead move but his salary has gone down to his credit.

I am not arguing with the signing of Beason, he is a team leader, and one of the best players at his position. We took him with the no. 25 overall pick. Yes, we did choose him in the 1st but not nearly as high as 9.

That said, we also used a 1st on Thomas Davis, and this thread is talking about using a top 10 on Kuechly.

It's not about salary this season, it's about how much each player counts against the cap, and how hard it is to extend the really expensive positions like DE, QB, OT, and DT when you have so much money invested in a lower tier position.

[MrBubba]

If I recall, Hurney drafted Beason when he had Dan Morgan on the roster. So there is a history of it

[PantherPhann89]

I don't have a problem taking Kuechly with the 9th pick, particulary b/c I think that we will need a quality backup before the seasons out. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have a lot of conifidence in Davis playing the entire season. However, if I am wrong and Davis and Beason plays the entire season, I'd probably wish we'd taken Coples.

[jarhead]

I think what we would really love is for Beason and Davis to return healthy and productive.Having said that the Eagles went out and signed a 5 year contract to replace Long after tearing his Achilles.That is a nasty injury.

[DaCityKats]

for every person bringing up philly, in the Jim Johnson era they never took a LB in the 1st round.