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pantherclaw Grand Master

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dont matter how much LB driven the scheme is if they guys upfront are not getting it done.build upfront first.

exactly, just like more talent ad CB won't matter if the dline isn't playing well.

Beginning of last season, everybody thought the giants were in trouble due to injury, and lack of talent at cornerback. There pass rush is what carried that defense.

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exactly, just like more talent ad CB won't matter if the dline isn't playing well.

Beginning of last season, everybody thought the giants were in trouble due to injury, and lack of talent at cornerback. There pass rush is what carried that defense.

yep,and the crazy thing is they are getting mocked another DE or pass rusher by some.pass rush makes everybody look good.

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The Giants model is not really perfect. They miss the playoffs every other year in a weak division. When they do get in it's on the last day of the season. All credit to them, they got hot at the right time twice. Doesn't make it the perfect formula for success.

Giants had the 27th ranked D last year....

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How many points did they give up to New England in their two Super Bowl wins?

Matchups matter. You beat NYG going deep last year....NE flat out didn't do that last year.

They were ranked 27th for a reason. Very good defenses dont rank 27th. Pitt and Baltimore are model defenses...not NYG. Shoot, I'd say the Bears are consistantly a better D if you want to talk 43 D

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2 of the last 5 championship teams were giants teams

also btdubs the giants can beat any team because of their QB and defensive line, and they also have good talent in the secondary. Webster, Phillips and Rolle are all solid starters. In comparison, the only great player we have in the secondary is Gamble. Free Safety has consistently been a revolving door for years, Godfrey is just okay on his best day and was one of the worst players in the secondary last year. Munnerlyn was a horrid corner as well. While much of this can be attributed to lack of pass rush, if Barron somehow falls to the 2nd round I suggest we take him.

the least talented unit they have had on defense is their linebacking core. of course panther fans/keuchly fawners would like to ignore this because they don't understand how to interpret recent success.

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2 of the last 5 championship teams were giants teams

also btdubs the giants can beat any team because of their QB and defensive line, and they also have good talent in the secondary. Webster, Phillips and Rolle are all solid starters. In comparison, the only great player we have in the secondary is Gamble. Free Safety has consistently been a revolving door for years, Godfrey is just okay on his best day and was one of the worst players in the secondary last year. Munnerlyn was a horrid corner as well. While much of this can be attributed to lack of pass rush, if Barron somehow falls to the 2nd round I suggest we take him.

the least talented unit they have had on defense is their linebacking core. of course panther fans/keuchly fawners would like to ignore this because they don't understand how to interpret recent success.

Okay. That doesn't make the Giants the model team. Both years they played good at the end. That is what is important. That is why they won.

You are trying to make there D the ideal D.....and it hasn't been consistantly good. Best overall teams don't always win in sports either....which is why sports is so fun to watch

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Okay. That doesn't make the Giants the model team. Both years they played good at the end. That is what is important. That is why they won.

You are trying to make there D the ideal D.....and it hasn't been consistantly good. Best overall teams don't always win in sports either....which is why sports is so fun to watch

their D is the ideal D lol

if you still haven't gotten that defensive strategy has evolved today to putting more emphasis on forcing the opponent into making mistakes instead of just trying to be stingy since rule changes have put a dent in their ability to do so then whatever

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exactly, just like more talent ad CB won't matter if the dline isn't playing well.

Beginning of last season, everybody thought the giants were in trouble due to injury, and lack of talent at cornerback. There pass rush is what carried that defense.

You mean the 25th ranked defense in the regular season. BTW they weren't the best defense in the playoffs either. What carried that defense was an offense that kept scoring and a quarterback who was money in the 4th quarter.

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their D is the ideal D lol

if you still haven't gotten that defensive strategy has evolved today to putting more emphasis on forcing the opponent into making mistakes instead of just trying to be stingy since rule changes have put a dent in their ability to do so then whatever

That's what a Jim Johnson defense does with an aggressive blitzing scheme by the safeties and linebackers.

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You mean the 25th ranked defense in the regular season. BTW they weren't the best defense in the playoffs either. What carried that defense was an offense that kept scoring and a quarterback who was money in the 4th quarter.

did you watch the games lol

I don't know why it doesn't convince me that shutting out the falcons offense, keeping two high powered offenses to 20 points or less (Pats, Packers), and shutting out basically every single receiver except for Vernon Davis against the niners implies offensive dominance

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That's what a Jim Johnson defense does with an aggressive blitzing scheme by the safeties and linebackers.

and if the defensive line is overall terrible, it doesn't matter who's blitzing because they're giving up about 70-100 lbs and they won't be able to get into the backfield

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