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FA projected losses over next 2 years

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KendrickPanther Apprentice

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Did you not read what I quoted, or are you having problems making connections? There was an argument about how much Cam Newton would make if he were on the market right now, and you only have to look at Russell, Stafford, and Bradford's contracts to understand what extremely young and potentially talented quarterbacks were making. Newton, meanwhile, has shown he does in fact have talent. He had what I believe to be the best rookie QB season ever.

No, Sam Bradford doesn't set the market for anything, but you'd have to be stupid if you didn't think his contract numbers aren't looked at by QBs who sign new deals in the same way Manning and Brady set the market, Brees (and soon Rodgers and Stafford AGAIN) will re-set the market, and Cam Newton will potentially set as well for Andrew Luck.

Surely I didn't have to sit here and explain that to you, but apparently I did.

Well then what you think is wrong. Sam Bradford's contract was so bad they wrote into the CBA to prevent it from ever happening again. It's like when a law or rule is changed and certain people are grandfathered in. It has no bearing on the future. It is totally in the rear view mirror. Cam will be compared to Drew Brees's contract. That is the future.

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Well then what you think is wrong. Sam Bradford's contract was so bad they wrote into the CBA to prevent it from ever happening again. It's like when a law or rule is changed and certain people are grandfathered in. It has no bearing on the future. It is totally in the rear view mirror. Cam will be compared to Drew Brees's contract. That is the future.

Brees is getting paid based on achievement and Cam would be getting paid on proven massive potential. Either one commands a huge rate. You're f'n retarded if you don't think that Cam would command a top ten QB rate if he was on the open market RIGHT NOW.

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No I am making the assumption that he already feels that he gave up 60 million because there was a rookie cap and every one before him who went number 1 broke the bank on their first contract. He is surely going to believe that he should break the bank the second time around.

And if you think he is going to take 20-25 million guaranteed and 16 to 17 million a year, you are totally out in left field. He has made the pro bowl in the only season he has played and broke every rookie record. The only way he get paid what you suggest is if he sucks for the next couple of years. Could that happen?? It could but I prefer to think that he even plays better this year, leads us to the playoffs and by year 4 has a superbowl win as well. Will it happen?? Who knows but instead of hoping to sign him on the cheap, I hope he totally outplays his contract, brings home a Lombardi and demands a ton of money because he is worth every penny just like Brees was.

Cam did not break every rookie record. He broke a couple, it was a nice season but it was not an MVP type season. Drew Brees had an MVP type season last year. Drew Brees and Cam Newton are not in the same class. Drew Brees set the market for elite QB contracts. Now Cam has to become elite. The idea is to resign him before he is elite so you keep that ~$4m in cap space. $4m is enough to sign a starting quality player. Why would you not want another good player on the team? He would not need to suck the next couple years to make $16-$17m a season. I want you to think of every QB in the league. Got em all in your head? Now subtract Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. Every other QB in the NFL makes $16m or less. Including 3 Super Bowl Winners.

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Brees is getting paid based on achievement and Cam would be getting paid on proven massive potential. Either one commands a huge rate. You're f'n retarded if you don't think that Cam would command a top ten QB rate if he was on the open market RIGHT NOW.

Yeah I would but the 10th Highest Paid QB in the league makes $12m and I hope to Sign Cam for $16m so I guess I'm being generous.

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If we manage to resign Cam for 16mil per in 3 years then Hurney is a fuging miracle worker. In three more years more top tier QB's are going to have signed contracts with Brees' most recent one being the basis for comparison. The average will have gone up and so will Cam's demands.

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Yeah I have thought about that and it may happen but I've been reading the cap will be flat for the next three years. If the cap doesn't go up, where will these teams find their cap space for $20m a season QBs? Getting back to what started all this, the Panthers will have the most bargaining power 2 seasons from now before inflation has fully set in. Keep in mind Brees had to bitch,moan, and threaten to get his $20m. He basically bent his franchise over. How many QBs will do that?

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Cam did not break every rookie record. He broke a couple, it was a nice season but it was not an MVP type season. Drew Brees had an MVP type season last year. Drew Brees and Cam Newton are not in the same class. Drew Brees set the market for elite QB contracts. Now Cam has to become elite. The idea is to resign him before he is elite so you keep that ~$4m in cap space. $4m is enough to sign a starting quality player. Why would you not want another good player on the team? He would not need to suck the next couple years to make $16-$17m a season. I want you to think of every QB in the league. Got em all in your head? Now subtract Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. Every other QB in the NFL makes $16m or less. Including 3 Super Bowl Winners.

Cam will be paid handsomely just because JR is not very frugal with his money to loyal players. Especially one like Cam that will probably make the team more money, than what he is paid. Many people didn't or don't consider Charles Johnson an elite pass-rusher after one great year. But he sure as hell got paid like one.

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Cam will be paid handsomely just because JR is very frugal with his money to loyal players. Especially one like Cam that will probably make the team more money, than what he is paid. Many people didn't or don't consider Charles Johnson an elite pass-rusher after one great year. But he sure as hell got paid like one.

You mean, NOT very frugal, right?

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Cam will be paid handsomely just because JR is very frugal with his money to loyal players. Especially one like Cam that will probably make the team more money, than what he is paid. Many people didn't or don't consider Charles Johnson an elite pass-rusher after one great year. But he sure as hell got paid like one.

That's not a bad point.Logic would dictate we sign players for as little as possible to have more money for other players. But history shows us the Panthers do not always follow logic.

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Well then what you think is wrong. Sam Bradford's contract was so bad they wrote into the CBA to prevent it from ever happening again. It's like when a law or rule is changed and certain people are grandfathered in. It has no bearing on the future. It is totally in the rear view mirror. Cam will be compared to Drew Brees's contract. That is the future.

In reading your other responses, holy sh*t, I'm not going to argue with you because you aren't actually trying to make a point I can visably find. My initial comment was about how much money Cam would've gotten without the CBA and how he'd still command that price on the open market. Then you incorrectly stated Sam Bradford's contract doesn't matter. Bradford made $18 million last year. Why do you think Brees wanted to make $20 million? Because Manning got $19.5ish, which he wanted because of Brady's contract, who got his because of Manning's presumed contract and Bradford's numbers.

Don't post like a goober.

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Cam did not break every rookie record. He broke a couple, it was a nice season but it was not an MVP type season. Drew Brees had an MVP type season last year. Drew Brees and Cam Newton are not in the same class. Drew Brees set the market for elite QB contracts. Now Cam has to become elite. The idea is to resign him before he is elite so you keep that ~$4m in cap space. $4m is enough to sign a starting quality player. Why would you not want another good player on the team? He would not need to suck the next couple years to make $16-$17m a season. I want you to think of every QB in the league. Got em all in your head? Now subtract Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. Every other QB in the NFL makes $16m or less. Including 3 Super Bowl Winners.

First of all he won't be signed for a couple of years. Do you think that Vick is elite?? He is making 80 million on a five year deal and set the bar for future quarterbacks like Brees. Brees just set the bar for the next level. It isn't whether they are better than Brees or even as good simply that is the going rate if you want to keep your quarterback. If we don't pay him someone else will. This whole he isn't Brees so he will sign for cheap is a fallacy argument, All he needs is one team that thinks he is worth 20 million a year to push the envelope and make us pay that to keep him. It is obviously you have no clue how free agency works or you would quit while you are behind. A quarterback doesn't sign early unless you pay him a premium not a discount. If we try and franchise him he makes the combination of the top 5 quarterbacks which includes Brees, Brady, Manning, etc so again your argument holds no water. If we don't franchise him he simply tests free agency and someone gives him a boatload of money. All it takes is one.

So please quit with the hometown discount, it isn't happening especially if we try and sign him early.

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