Haruki Nakamura #1 FS.

[Captain Obvious]

I don't get it. I mean you can contort mathematical data to say what ever you want. Don't know why that is held in high regard around here. it's all beside the point anyway. Back to the safety discussion. And thanks london67 for the answer.

[PantherPhann89]

We don't need Safeties that plays the ball 1st and can't tackle because we don't have a legit #2 CB, yet. Until the #2 CB is in place, we need a Safety that can tackle 1st and play the ball 2nd and when I say tackle 1st, I mean a wrap-up tackle, not a Martin tackle.

[pantherclaw]

No Spoon left to get paid like Morgan (which he should have because he was the more dependable of the 2). We should have gave Spoon the better contract and Morgan the "good contract".

Facts are we lost Spoon because we couldn't pay him what he was worth.

it's absolutely amazing how many people don't know what they are talking about, yet say it as if it's fact.

Spoon was offered a very good contract to play outside linebacker. That contract was similar in money to the contract that morgan signed. Mid 20 mil.

Spoon left that offer on the table to be paid to llay mlb. 35 mil at the time.

I'm glad the panthers didn't overpay spoon.

[koolkatluke]

it's absolutely amazing how many people don't know what they are talking about, yet say it as if it's fact.

Spoon was offered a very good contract to play outside linebacker. That contract was similar in money to the contract that morgan signed. Mid 20 mil.

Spoon left that offer on the table to be paid to llay mlb. 35 mil at the time.

I'm glad the panthers didn't overpay spoon.

link?? Because this says different.

http://local.gastongazette.com/panthers_retro/page_worst_moves.htm

[nickzz]

link?? Because this says different.

http://local.gastong...worst_moves.htm

that link doesn't say anything of value for the argument at hand

you constantly post bs thinking it's proof of something when in reality it's completely irrelevant

[CRA]

ok. I'm officially living under a rock. What the fuc is PFF and why is it the holy grail that is being held up as a standard for anything?

Just a website. They breakdowm every play for every player in the NFL. A view from another perspective. Not fact. It has flaws. But they are developing a good reputation for what they do.

Normally they are in the ballpark. You can nitpick little things with them. A guy is a little better here a little worse there. When they list someone as horrible at something....they are usually spot on.

But like I said, that is just an easy link for why Godfrey sucks....not the end all be all of the arguement.

[CRA]

I don't get it. I mean you can contort mathematical data to say what ever you want. Don't know why that is held in high regard around here. it's all beside the point anyway. Back to the safety discussion. And thanks london67 for the answer.

I mean if player X throws 25 INT.....it isn't all just twisted math. Those are examples of poor play.

Godfrey not being able to tackle in the open field is just reality.

[CRA]

We don't need Safeties that plays the ball 1st and can't tackle because we don't have a legit #2 CB, yet. Until the #2 CB is in place, we need a Safety that can tackle 1st and play the ball 2nd and when I say tackle 1st, I mean a wrap-up tackle, not a Martin tackle.

Not Martin and not Godfrey

[koolkatluke]

that link doesn't say anything of value for the argument at hand

you constantly post bs thinking it's proof of something when in reality it's completely irrelevant

Hey dumbass why don't you read the whole thread. The post was in response to the Spoon vs Morgan debate the thread had derailed to.

PS: If my post are so irrelevant. Then why do you keep reading them?

[PantherPhann89]

Not Martin and not Godfrey

Yeah, I agree but I don't think that Rivera agrees since we just signed Godfrey to a 5 yr extension.

[bleys]

No Spoon left to get paid like Morgan (which he should have because he was the more dependable of the 2). We should have gave Spoon the better contract and Morgan the "good contract".

Facts are we lost Spoon because we couldn't pay him what he was worth.

IIRC, we had Chris Draft who at the time was an extremely good backup at MLB and a solid starter at that position.

We needed a OLB and could take a hit if Morgan went down (who could have been HOF if healthy). Unfortunately, Spoon left anyway for about the same dough..

I think there was more to it than Morgan -vs- Spoon.. Our team dynamics happened to work out where Spoon should have been a pro bowler year in and year out instead of turning into a mediocre MLB..

obviously it was his decision, but as GM, it seemed like a good move at the time..

[koolkatluke]

IIRC, we had Chris Draft who at the time was an extremely good backup at MLB and a solid starter at that position.

We needed a OLB and could take a hit if Morgan went down (who could have been HOF if healthy). Unfortunately, Spoon left anyway for about the same dough..

I think there was more to it than Morgan -vs- Spoon.. Our team dynamics happened to work out where Spoon should have been a pro bowler year in and year out instead of turning into a mediocre MLB..

obviously it was his decision, but as GM, it seemed like a good move at the time..

I know everybody keeps saying this but I would really like to see a "link" to the contract we offered Spoon.

I could be wrong but I don't remember him even getting a offer. Now your saying he turned down about the same money to go to St. Louis. I'm sorry I don't believe it. Morgan and Spoon were like Dwill and Stewie is now. Best of friends. Even their girls were best friends. They went on vacation together and even had a few joint business ventures. Spoon didn't want to leave Charlotte and I know this for a fact.

So I really need to see a "link" about this contract offer and him leaving because he wanted to be MLB so bad.

[Simple and Plain]

Link

• LB Will Witherspoon agreed to terms on a six-year contract worth $33 million with the St. Louis Rams. The deal includes $15 million in guaranteed money.

The Carolina Panthers had made an offer to keep Witherspoon, but the guaranteed money was about $4 million less than what St. Louis will pay.

[bleys]

I know everybody keeps saying this but I would really like to see a "link" to the contract we offered Spoon.

I could be wrong but I don't remember him even getting a offer. Now your saying he turned down about the same money to go to St. Louis. I'm sorry I don't believe it. Morgan and Spoon were like Dwill and Stewie is now. Best of friends. Even their girls were best friends. They went on vacation together and even had a few joint business ventures. Spoon didn't want to leave Charlotte and I know this for a fact.

So I really need to see a "link" about this contract offer and him leaving because he wanted to be MLB so bad.

I'll look around, but as far back as 2006 it's been reported that 2 contracts were offered and Witherspoon wouldn't sign his.