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Winning it all....


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I remember watching the Super Bowl hoping the Panthers would pull it off and then watching them fall so short. Growing up, my little league baseball team won a championship, that's the last of glory for me. The Panthers are the only team that is tied to my heart, the Bucs Monday Night Game I was screaming and yelling every time D-Will of Stewart busted off a huge run. The Bears game when they couldn't stop Smitty at all. Most of my memories of the Panthers are recent ones, I didn't become a fan until around 2000. It wasn't until I started playing football the I really started to pay attention to the NFL.

Okay so now to bring it all together. Has a team you lived and breathed ever won it all?

What do you think you will do if the Panthers do win it all? (riot, drink even more than you currently were while watching the game, take your clothes off and run naked through the streets)

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I remember watching the Super Bowl hoping the Panthers would pull it off and then watching them fall so short. Growing up, my little league baseball team won a championship, that's the last of glory for me. The Panthers are the only team that is tied to my heart, the Bucs Monday Night Game I was screaming and yelling every time D-Will of Stewart busted off a huge run. The Bears game when they couldn't stop Smitty at all. Most of my memories of the Panthers are recent ones, I didn't become a fan until around 2000. It wasn't until I started playing football the I really started to pay attention to the NFL.

Okay so now to bring it all together. Has a team you lived and breathed ever won it all?

What do you think you will do if the Panthers do win it all? (riot, drink even more than you currently were while watching the game, take your clothes off and run naked through the streets)

I have been a lifelong Phillies fan and watched them win 2 World series including last year. It was awesome but I think the panthers winning would be even bigger since I will be there in the stands rooting them on.

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I like to think of myself as a spoiled sports fan, of course with UNC winning the title 3 times in my life time ;)

Then in '05 the White Sox won the World Series which probably has been my favorite title to bring home. This year hopefully the Blackhawks will win the Cup.

My really only championship defeats were the Panthers in the SB and UNC baseball the first year they lost to OSU, just because they were one win away, then f-ing Garrett Gore had to throw the ball away!

But if the Panthers were to win it, I would most likely shed a tear or two.

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Been a lifelong Oakland A's fan, so seeing them win a championship (especially against the GD Giants) was great. My high school football team won district, and that was a pretty awesome feeling, and my other ball team has won tourney's and city championships too, but nothing could come anywhere close to how I would feel if Carolina won it all. I don't know what I would do, but it would involve a week off of work for sure. I'd also be happy to recoup the $100 a year minimum that I put down on the Panthers to win the superbowl. So far I'm down about $2500, but one good year could bring it back!

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Back when I cared about baseball, the Atlanta Braves won. Other than that, no.

*waits for all of the predictable UNC fans to show up*[/QUOTE]

here is one 2 in the last five years:D, and when the U beat the huskers.but other than that no. panthers lost, hornets never got there, and the bobcats..............well they are improving

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well im a unc fan, and it was great when they won it all, but it wouldnt even come close to comparing to the panthers winning it all. i would prob cry, then i would prob take a few days off work to celebrate and buy tons of memorabilia

yeah me 2.if they do,my first son will be named panther.

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Hurricanes fan, so I know the feeling of investment and the team winning it all. Great feeling, best feeling you can have as a fan.

When the Panthers lost that was pretty bad, Once the kick went out of bounds I kinda saw the rest of the game flash before my eyes and saw us losing the game on a FG. Sucked.

Also a UNC fan and it has been awesome winning twice since 2005.

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