Williams flat out doesn't fit

[panthers55]

but explosive does not equal effective.

20 carries for 100 yards looks like a good game on paper.

..but when 1 of those carries is 62 yards, the other 19 averaged out to 2 ypc. the rb is more a liability than an asset.

Scoring a 62 yard touchdown is always considered effective. Effective can also be 4 carries for 8 yards if those 4 carries are on third and short and result in 1st downs. The whole he averaged 4 yards per carry if it wasn't for those 7 touchdown runs is a ridiculous argument at best. Every running back has big plays and long runs which help their average. Your logic is like saying that a quarterback who throws 2 long touchdown passes in a game is really a liability because if you ignore those, then the rest of the day he only averaged 5 yards a pass.

[Cape Fear Cat]

Even in a zone-read scheme, the o-line has to open a hole somewhere and I didn't see much of that happening yesterday. I'd have to see the all-22 camera angle, but from the broadcast angle I didn't see much room to run anywhere.

That's it in a nutshell, in my opinion. It all starts on the line, and ours was crap Sunday. Give Dwill a hole, and he'll exploit it. He's done it before, he'll do it again. But Williams isn't Peterson or Bettis. He doesn't have the size to create holes where none exist. If the line does their job, Dwill does his.

[Panthro]

Ahmad Bradshaw with a solid Yards Per Carry....

RUSHING OFFENSE: D - The numbers in this case - 19 carries for 82 yards (4.3 yards per carry) are deceiving as rushing leader Ahmad Bradshaw's best run came when the Cowboys were in prevent mode.

Take out the 33 yard rush and he averaged 2.8 yards per carry.

Dominant.

[DaCityKats]

i think the option read didnt work was more so because the blocking was bad compared to DWill. even when we lined up in more traditional sets single back or I and tried to run power the blocking was awful.still think it is to much money tied in the backfield but thats another thread.

[panthers55]

You are the passive aggressive version of TRD. Never wrong...only difference is TRD was a better poster.

A casual fan does not spend their time on a sports website dedicated to their team. Stupid logic = looking for anomalies. I think youmight not understand statistics. It's ok.

And in reality...Total yards means as much as yards per carry.

Rock Cartright had an 11.3 yards per carry

Jonathan Dwyer had 7.7 yards per carry

I guess that means they are better....

In 2011 DeAngelo hit a "homerun" 1.2% of the time he carried the ball....he's the Derek Jeter of the NFL.

All the while his salary could have gone to a more important position...one of our weaknesses.

First off any knowledgeable stat person wouldn't use statistics from small samples but base it on a minimum of carries. For example to be included in any meaningful discussion about yards per carry, most folks base it on a minimum number like 100.

Your statistics are also wrong. He had 7 touchdowns on 155 attempts revealing a TD ratio of 4.5% of the time or a little less than once every 20 carries. Lets compare to that Maurice Jones Drew who led the league in total yards which you think is legitimate and results in a yards per carry of 4.7 and a TD 2.3% of the time or once every 40 carries.

How about this one.. But Maurice was so good moving the chains. 21.7% of his runs resulting in first downs. Yeah Williams was far behind at only 20.6%.

Seems you and TRD have more in common than I do, both of you make up facts to try and argue your case. And both are equally as effective. LOL

[Kick]

Although this was the 1st game, I was so dissapointed in the lack of enthusiam and performance by my Panthers. The only thing we can blame the staff for is recruiting players that don't have the strength, height, stamina and urgency to play the game.

If Stewart is unable to play why do we still have Amond Smith, who has the drive to get down the field on the practice squad?

I don't want to down DWilliams, but he just isn't getting the job done. I would love to get fired up about my team, but they are playing more like pussycats than Panthers. Bring the Roar!!!!!!!

[panthers55]

Ahmad Bradshaw with a solid Yards Per Carry....

Take out the 33 yard rush and he averaged 2.8 yards per carry.

Dominant.

Another ignorant argument- first off who thinks that 4.3 yards a carry is dominant if you keep in the long run?? And are we excluding a meaningful TD run in that argument like you did with WIlliams?

If you are going to cherry pick stats at least do it better.

[CRA]

i think the option read didnt work was more so because the blocking was bad compared to DWill. even when we lined up in more traditional sets single back or I and tried to run power the blocking was awful.still think it is to much money tied in the backfield but thats another thread.

No, every read option went for a positive gain except for the ones Williams ran....he wasn't running them up the gut. It was just a clusterphuck. But again, that is more Chud than Williams

[MHS831]

Rewind. More than anything else, it shows what an idiot Hurney is for paying him a ton when there are good backs in college to be found in the middle of the draft.

Wonder what yesterday would have looked like if we played Armond Smith, Tolbert, and used the DW money on a few good linemen. I bet we would have had more yards on the ground, more points on the scoreboard.

DW is a good back, but not for this system. as mentioned. Besides that, he is almost 30 years old. He was "rode hard" at Memphis. He has about 3 years left on his deal.

Hurney is gun shy. He signs what he knows and goes after free agents in the dumpster because he knows that spending big $$ on a bust has not served him very well. However, he no longer has the players drafted before his arrival, and he has not replenished the cupboard. We are paying for Hurney's "brilliance:--his paying the core outrageous money from a 2-14 team; his drafft day genius involving trading away TOP picks to land superstars like Otah (who had knee and work ethic issues at Pitt), Brown, Armanti Edwards (he tried to trade up for Clausen!!); and his refusal to get key free agents to atone for his ineptitude. Like it or not, he sucks.

[Panthro]

Williams could run for 2 50 yard TD's next week and his average would go way up but it still doesn't erase the fact he had -1 yards the first game.

but but but teh average

[panthers55]

Rewind. More than anything else, it shows what an idiot Hurney is for paying him a ton when there are good backs in college to be found in the middle of the draft.

Wonder what yesterday would have looked like if we played Armond Smith, Tolbert, and used the DW money on a few good linemen. I bet we would have had more yards on the ground, more points on the scoreboard.

DW is a good back, but not for this system. as mentioned. Besides that, he is almost 30 years old. He was "rode hard" at Memphis. He has about 3 years left on his deal.

Hurney is gun shy. He signs what he knows and goes after free agents in the dumpster because he knows that spending big $$ on a bust has not served him very well. However, he no longer has the players drafted before his arrival, and he has not replenished the cupboard. We are paying for Hurney's "brilliance:--his paying the core outrageous money from a 2-14 team; his drafft day genius involving trading away TOP picks to land superstars like Otah (who had knee and work ethic issues at Pitt), Brown, Armanti Edwards (he tried to trade up for Clausen!!); and his refusal to get key free agents to atone for his ineptitude. Like it or not, he sucks.

The typical throw everything in there but the kitchen sink type Huddle post.

Too much garbage to respond to everything but lets look at the money we wasted with Williams which we could have spent on someone else argument.

What part of we philosophically are going to build through the draft and not spend big on FA don't you get. We are 8 million under the cap and have enough to secure whatever linemen or cornerback we want to get at this point. You can argue we wasted money on Williams if you want because that is an opinion which you are surely entitled to, but the whole we gave him so much money we can't afford anyone else is just not backed by the facts. We have money to spend and didn't spend it because it didn't fit the mindset of the front office which includes Richardson as well.

[Peppers90 NC]

God forbid Cam goes down and misses any time. Does Deangelo still not fit?

[panthers55]

Williams could run for 2 50 yard TD's next week and his average would go way up but it still doesn't erase the fact he had -1 yards the first game.

but but but teh average

If those 2 TDs runs resulted in a win then he might be MVP of the game and deservedly so. But according to your logic we should forget those two runs as average inflators and compare the rest which gives us the better picture of his true worth. After all if you ignore those runs then he only averaged 2.6 yards the rest of the day making him a liability.

Dig the hole deeper.........

LOL

[Panthro]

It doesn't matter because he poo the bed in the first game. If those two "homeruns" were the only ones he had in a season then yes he would be a liability.

Now you are looking at individual games and not the whole season. Cool beans. Let's look at games/

2011

Game 1 - 2.5 yards per carry

2.6

1.8

8.2

12.8 yards

3.7

3.5

3.7

4.4

7.3

4.6

2.6

12.4

4.1

9.4

7.6

That's consistently inconsistent.

Also in 2011 in games he carried the ball more than 10 times he averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

Also also in 2011 he averaged less than 3 yards per carry 4 times (something MJD didn't do once) and less than 4 yards per carry 7 times (MJD did it 3 times)

All the glory but none of the blame.