Panthers drafted no significant contributors

[Udogg]

No, I'm looking for debate about whether people agree with the guy or not. He's saying we got no starting talent this year out of the draft. I agree to the extent of the Peppers situation as it may pertain to Brown. Outside of that, we got reserve players because that is the TALENT we got. I think it is asinine to say that you draft reserve players, you draft players with the hope of them being starters. Now, where the article falls short is what happens to our players beyond their rookie year.

I think we are not solid at all 22 spots on the offense and defense. Most positions yes, all...no.

And to the poster that pointed out the 95%, actually it's 95.45455%. I understand you rounded though.

You answered your own question.

[ncbobcat]

I disagree with the entire concept of the article and the fact the energy it took to write it was wasted by some asshat who thinks he knows anything about what a player who has never touch a NFL field in gametime will do.

I think we are watching a different type of football when you say Special Teams doesn't "figure into the core of the game". Ask Devin Hester if his touchdowns matter better yet find me a football mind who says the old Raiders punter Ray Guy wasn't a Defensive WEAPON.

Nicklebacks see more of the field than any other "reserve" player. How they aren't contributors I can't fathom.

I agreed on the nickelbacks, that is part of the defense.

Okay I guess STs count for kickers and returners in this case, but if a guy is drafted as a DB and plays every kick as a gunner, that isn't exactly why the guy was drafted. So the only point of contention here is Goodson/Munnerlyn as KRs/PRs. If that is the reason we drafted them and they wind up winning that job, then the draft was successful in that regard and you have a basic disagreement with the article.

I'm pretty amazed with the rose colored glasses here though. I'm fairly objective and would love to think this team has every basis covered, but that's not the case. I simply don't agree that you draft reserves...late on the second day at worst, but even then you hope to find a diamond in the rough.

This guys says, by ommission, the Panthers didn't land any rookie impact players. I again tend to agree.

As far as judging guys before they step on the field as a pro, that's called talent evaluation, and teams devote a lot of time and effort to this analysis. Whether a paid scout, fan, or sports writer; people do it all the time.

[carpanfan96]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I didn't even know who the hell he was till this article. I could care less what he thinks as well.

Brown is a definitely an impact player and will get plenty of shots at the QB this coming season.

[panthers55]

No, I'm looking for debate about whether people agree with the guy or not. He's saying we got no starting talent this year out of the draft. I agree to the extent of the Peppers situation as it may pertain to Brown. Outside of that, we got reserve players because that is the TALENT we got. I think it is asinine to say that you draft reserve players, you draft players with the hope of them being starters. Now, where the article falls short is what happens to our players beyond their rookie year.

I think we are not solid at all 22 spots on the offense and defense. Most positions yes, all...no.

And to the poster that pointed out the 95%, actually it's 95.45455%. I understand you rounded though.

You draft players not reserves or starters. They become that based on the talent of the rest of your team and how quickly they progress. I think everyone of them have starting potential but not all develop into starters. I don't think there were a dozen players in the draft that would start as rookies over our starters this year, IMO.

Which ones are we not solid on then and who of the draftees would have replaced them???

[rayzor]

I'm pretty amazed with the rose colored glasses here though. I'm fairly objective and would love to think this team has every basis covered, but that's not the case. I simply don't agree that you draft reserves...late on the second day at worst, but even then you hope to find a diamond in the rough.

This guys says, by ommission, the Panthers didn't land any rookie impact players. I again tend to agree.

riiiigghht.....

[ncbobcat]

I think we are weak at DT. I think Vincent can be upgraded. We are settling with Jerrett again. Considering Peps may not be back, we could have used another DE. More depth at C/G would have been nice, relying on two 7th rounders from last year.

Again, not many issues, some that could back to bite us if the 'perfect storm' type of unfortunately events occur.

As far as who I liked better, I would have to go back and see what players were available where, but I can assure you a couple of better DTs, interior OL, WR were on the board when we selected who we did.

I hope all of these guys work out and become starters, but I don't see the immediate impact that one would like.

The one guy I can't guage is Martin. I can't decide if I really like that pick or not. If Peps stays and plays, I think Martin may be the one player that may impact our rookie class, not Brown.

[Zod]

If a 2nd to 7th round player can come in and take the starting job from the get go, what does that say about the quality of your starting lineup?

[Sloth]

I agreed on the nickelbacks, that is part of the defense.

Okay I guess STs count for kickers and returners in this case, but if a guy is drafted as a DB and plays every kick as a gunner, that isn't exactly why the guy was drafted. So the only point of contention here is Goodson/Munnerlyn as KRs/PRs. If that is the reason we drafted them and they wind up winning that job, then the draft was successful in that regard and you have a basic disagreement with the article.

I'm pretty amazed with the rose colored glasses here though. I'm fairly objective and would love to think this team has every basis covered, but that's not the case. I simply don't agree that you draft reserves...late on the second day at worst, but even then you hope to find a diamond in the rough.

This guys says, by ommission, the Panthers didn't land any rookie impact players. I again tend to agree.

As far as judging guys before they step on the field as a pro, that's called talent evaluation, and teams devote a lot of time and effort to this analysis. Whether a paid scout, fan, or sports writer; people do it all the time.

What would you have done differently?

Our holes going into the draft were backup OL, DT depth, DE (depending on the Peppers drama), nickle CB. You might be able to make an argument for QB competition, but noone we drafted would have unseated Delhomme OR McCown. And, as much as I dislike Delhomme, we had bigger needs to fill.

OL - Drafted arguably one of the best OG's available. Probably won't immediately unseat Vincent, but Vincent has injury/groin issues, so may see the field before too long. Also nabbed a pretty highly rated OT in udfa. Our line was very, VERY good last year, we can afford to grab people to mold over time.

DE - Grabbed one of the highest rated pass rushers in the draft who slipped due to size. In an odd coincidence, our new D coordinator seems to like small, high-motor rushers.

DT - Grabbed a 3rd round prospect in the 3rd round. At the very worst will spell Lewis/Hayden/FA

CB - Grabbed a guy who was a very good player, very physical, but who has some injury concerns. Pretty good ball skills in college. Will compete for the nickle and probably win it unless Wilson surprises.

RB - Goodson is a dynamic guy with a lot of talent but some coaching concerns. Not only is he pretty much a lock for our 3rd RB, expect him to be in the mix for PR/KR, some work out of the slot, screens and for some gimmick plays. This was somewhat of a luxury pick that could also pay off huge down the road.

FB - Got the highest rated guy in the draft. Luxury pick that could pay off huge down the road.

Munnerlyn was brought in because it's the 7th round, he has some upside as a gunner/returner and who cares.. it's a 7th round pick. If he does nothing more than ST it's awesome he made the team because you know he had to beat someone out convincingly to get a look.

We brought in a TON of udfa, and expect us to sign an inexpensive FA DT and FA OL at some point if they're concerned about the depth/backups being too young.

I guess I don't see what you see. The only position we're even a little shaky at right now is DT with Lewis. And honestly, Lewis just needs to be spelled more, he's not an all-star but he's no bum either.

We're pretty much set and should be a good team next year.

[rayzor]

If a 2nd to 7th round player can come in and take the starting job from the get go, what does that say about the quality of your starting lineup?

12-4 was a fluke for starters. (not that i agree with that at all)

[ncbobcat]

riiiigghht.....

...And we have no room to improve. Your right, rose colored galsses are not in order, brail is for the blind. What year did we retun a boat load of starters from the previous playoff season, 2004 from 3003? Ah yes, that's the year we followed up the Super Bowl apperance and actually WON it. :confused:

[rayzor]

What would you have done differently?

Our holes going into the draft were backup OL, DT depth, DE (depending on the Peppers drama), nickle CB. You might be able to make an argument for QB competition, but noone we drafted would have unseated Delhomme OR McCown. And, as much as I dislike Delhomme, we had bigger needs to fill.

OL - Drafted arguably one of the best OG's available. Probably won't immediately unseat Vincent, but Vincent has injury/groin issues, so may see the field before too long. Also nabbed a pretty highly rated OT in udfa. Our line was very, VERY good last year, we can afford to grab people to mold over time.

DE - Grabbed one of the highest rated pass rushers in the draft who slipped due to size. In an odd coincidence, our new D coordinator seems to like small, high-motor rushers.

DT - Grabbed a 3rd round prospect in the 3rd round. At the very worst will spell Lewis/Hayden/FA

CB - Grabbed a guy who was a very good player, very physical, but who has some injury concerns. Pretty good ball skills in college. Will compete for the nickle and probably win it unless Wilson surprises.

RB - Goodson is a dynamic guy with a lot of talent but some coaching concerns. Not only is he pretty much a lock for our 3rd RB, expect him to be in the mix for PR/KR, some work out of the slot, screens and for some gimmick plays. This was somewhat of a luxury pick that could also pay off huge down the road.

FB - Got the highest rated guy in the draft. Luxury pick that could pay off huge down the road.

Munnerlyn was brought in because it's the 7th round, he has some upside as a gunner/returner and who cares.. it's a 7th round pick. If he does nothing more than ST it's awesome he made the team because you know he had to beat someone out convincingly to get a look.

We brought in a TON of udfa, and expect us to sign an inexpensive FA DT and FA OL at some point if they're concerned about the depth/backups being too young.

I guess I don't see what you see. The only position we're even a little shaky at right now is DT with Lewis. And honestly, Lewis just needs to be spelled more, he's not an all-star but he's no bum either.

We're pretty much set and should be a good team next year.

very well said and i agree.

[rayzor]

...And we have no room to improve. Your right, rose colored galsses are not in order, brail is for the blind. What year did we retun a boat load of starters from the previous playoff season, 2004 from 3003? Ah yes, that's the year we followed up the Super Bowl apperance and actually WON it. :confused:

what?????

[ncbobcat]

What would you have done differently?

Our holes going into the draft were backup OL, DT depth, DE (depending on the Peppers drama), nickle CB. You might be able to make an argument for QB competition, but noone we drafted would have unseated Delhomme OR McCown. And, as much as I dislike Delhomme, we had bigger needs to fill.

OL - Drafted arguably one of the best OG's available. Probably won't immediately unseat Vincent, but Vincent has injury/groin issues, so may see the field before too long. Also nabbed a pretty highly rated OT in udfa. Our line was very, VERY good last year, we can afford to grab people to mold over time.

DE - Grabbed one of the highest rated pass rushers in the draft who slipped due to size. In an odd coincidence, our new D coordinator seems to like small, high-motor rushers.

DT - Grabbed a 3rd round prospect in the 3rd round. At the very worst will spell Lewis/Hayden/FA

CB - Grabbed a guy who was a very good player, very physical, but who has some injury concerns. Pretty good ball skills in college. Will compete for the nickle and probably win it unless Wilson surprises.

RB - Goodson is a dynamic guy with a lot of talent but some coaching concerns. Not only is he pretty much a lock for our 3rd RB, expect him to be in the mix for PR/KR, some work out of the slot, screens and for some gimmick plays. This was somewhat of a luxury pick that could also pay off huge down the road.

FB - Got the highest rated guy in the draft. Luxury pick that could pay off huge down the road.

Munnerlyn was brought in because it's the 7th round, he has some upside as a gunner/returner and who cares.. it's a 7th round pick. If he does nothing more than ST it's awesome he made the team because you know he had to beat someone out convincingly to get a look.

We brought in a TON of udfa, and expect us to sign an inexpensive FA DT and FA OL at some point if they're concerned about the depth/backups being too young.

I guess I don't see what you see. The only position we're even a little shaky at right now is DT with Lewis. And honestly, Lewis just needs to be spelled more, he's not an all-star but he's no bum either.

We're pretty much set and should be a good team next year.

-Brown: Pass rush specialist or every down end? If Peppers isn't on the field, he'd better be an every down guy.

-Martin: Safety to corner; hard transition. I like all the physical tools though I'm not sure he'll make that switch fluidly. Still an interesting prospect.

-Irvine: I did not like the Irvine pick at that time; too little, too late. DT help was needed in the 2nd.

-Goodson: A pure speed guy... not sure what type of player he'll be. Maybe he'll pan out or else he'll be another Carter.

-Fiammetta: Solid player, but I don't like burning draft picks on FBs. I think only two were drafted...PLENTY of UFAs t choose from.

-Robinson: Liked the pick until it came out that he isn't a devoted football guy. I know he was rated the #2 OG, but there is a reason players fall and I didn't know why until the lack of passion was questioned by scouts.

-Munnerlyn: What can you say...the guy has heart but is severely undersized and with the holding rules like they are now, he can't compete. That one rule alone made Ricky Manning Jr. go from awsome nickel to nearly obsolete.

[ncbobcat]

what?????

In other words, returning the majority of a roster form a previous playoff year doesn't necessarily mean instant success the next season or improvements can't be made. We didn't follow up the 2003 season with a Super Bowl in 2004, heck, we didn't even make the playoffs!