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Guys, I will admit that I fuggin giddy with excitement about what the future may hold for the franchise!

Our teams morale has crumbled over the years and hiring a new coach a couple of years ago was pretty exciting but getting a new GM and new HC all but ensures us that this team will be blown up an give us a chance to be reborn!!! To have have our name and logo to be taken seriously as a franchise that is serious about winning will be like nothing we have ever known... (The Hurney\Fox combo dosent count because marty was a sports writer)

Imagine the pride you will feel when walking into a sports bar, amusement park, or airport and seeing other fans not cowering but letting it be know that we came to KICK ASS @ 1:00 on Sundays or NOT being asked "Wow, do you really like the Panthers?

Lets just hope it all comes to reality...

DAMMIT I'M HYPE!!! GO FUGGIN' CAROLINA PANTHERS!!!

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Im hoping that Hurneys absence and a new GM that knows what he is doing will make an immediate impact on the field, locker room and fans. Picking quality players (outside the 1st round) that can help in their rookie year will be a huge difference in changing our culture.

Actually hitting on a higher percentage of our picks will help a lot, rather than drafting projects that take years to see if they will pan out (AE) or drafting a D-III O-lineman and expecting him to be the same "Road Grater" that he was while at Midwestern State.

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I will be busy trying to keep my kids from hating this team. All his buddies keep telling him how bad the Panthers suck. He has been bred a Panther fan but that foundation is crumbling. Ive got full guns blazing with Panther gear and Panther positivity. By god they better do their part and do something good in the next few years.

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I will be busy trying to keep my kids from hating this team. All his buddies keep telling him how bad the Panthers suck. He has been bred a Panther fan but that foundation is crumbling. Ive got full guns blazing with Panther gear and Panther positivity. By god they better do their part and do something good in the next few years.

I'm going through the same thing right now. Mine is 11yrs old & he asked "Why do you like the Panthers win they lose all the time?" I actually was saddened by this! However I told him EVERY team goes through bad years, but you don't give up on them as one day all the pain goes away and the victory in the end will be all that much better!!

They have to get the ship on the right course soon or we will lose the younger fans.

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