WE (K)NEED 1st ROUND TALENT ON OUR O LINE. period

[MadHatter]

Was Carl Nicks a first rounder?? He was a fifth rounder. If Gettleman is as good as they say he is, we can get first rounder performance in the 3rd or 4th round.

By that logic, Brady was a 6th rounder. We should have passed on Cam because you should be able to draft your franchise qB in the 4th-6th rounds.

[panthers55]

How often do teams strike gold on a guy like Nicks in the 5th round? Hint: blue moon. Our OLine was awful this year. The teams that consistently make the playoffs have great OLines. You don't ignore a player like Warmack when our needs on the line are so obvious.

Without Cam this team is basically nothing. Better start addressing his protection...right now. Like someone said earlier....fix this problem long term with players like Warmack, Jones etc

I have no problem upgrading on the o line but don't think you have to waste your highest picks on guards for example. For example San Francisco which has the best offensive line running the ball according to Football Outsiders had a 5th rounder for a center, Goodwin. Alex Boone who starts at right tackle is an undrafted free agent.

The best line protecting the quarterback, Detroit, has a guard in Robert Sims drafted by Seattle in the 5th round. Peterman on the other side was picked in the third round.

Lets look at NE who everyone toutes as having a great line. They have the philosophy of the next man up after injuries have caused issues. Still when their right tackle went down, Volmer- a second rounder, Marcus Cannon stepped in who is a fifth rounder with good results. Dan Connolly, their starting right guard is an undrafted free agent.

Let me check the moon lately, maybe it is a tad bit blue..........................................

[panthers55]

By that logic, Brady was a 6th rounder. We should have passed on Cam because you should be able to draft your franchise qB in the 4th-6th rounds.

That might be your logic, not mine. What I am saying is that many teams pick guards and centers outside of the first 2 rounds with great success. About the only position where it seems you have to have a first rounder is at left tackle. See above post.

[Rubi]

I have no problem upgrading on the o line but don't think you have to waste your highest picks on guards for example. For example San Francisco which has the best offensive line running the ball according to Football Outsiders had a 5th rounder for a center, Goodwin. Alex Boone who starts at right tackle is an undrafted free agent.

The best line protecting the quarterback, Detroit, has a guard in Robert Sims drafted by Seattle in the 5th round. Peterman on the other side was picked in the third round.

Lets look at NE who everyone toutes as having a great line. They have the philosophy of the next man up after injuries have caused issues. Still when their right tackle went down, Volmer- a second rounder, Marcus Cannon stepped in who is a fifth rounder with good results. Dan Connolly, their starting right guard is an undrafted free agent.

Let me check the moon lately, maybe it is a tad bit blue..........................................

Now go back in and name all of the top round picks on OLines....

Diamonds in the rough are rare and hard to come by and are not always available every single draft.

Warmack is talented enough to justify being picked at 14. You don't ignore talent or BPA especially when this team has glaring needs on the OLine.

[jungleking]

Now go back in and name all of the top round picks on OLines....

Diamonds in the rough are rare and hard to come by and are not always available every single draft.

Warmack is talented enough to justify being picked at 14. You don't ignore talent or BPA especially when this team has glaring needs on the OLine.

Warmack isn't talented enough to be picked at 14. He's not ten spots better than DeCastro was. If guard were really an impact position, a guy as good as DeCastro would have gone earlier. Teams know that they can find starters later, whether by drafting college guards or grabbing tackles and converting them. It just isn't a good place to spend those resources.

[Rubi]

Warmack isn't talented enough to be picked at 14. He's not ten spots better than DeCastro was. If guard were really an impact position, a guy as good as DeCastro would have gone earlier. Teams know that they can find starters later, whether by drafting college guards or grabbing tackles and converting them. It just isn't a good place to spend those resources.

To me he is and he fills a big need. Agree to disagree

[Rubi]

Why pass on a blue chip who's #1 at his position....at the same time filling a huge need

Just saying

[panthers55]

Now go back in and name all of the top round picks on OLines....

Diamonds in the rough are rare and hard to come by and are not always available every single draft.

Warmack is talented enough to justify being picked at 14. You don't ignore talent or BPA especially when this team has glaring needs on the OLine.

Why don't you do the research. I just picked the top rated lines and showed you where they all pick up guys in later rounds. It is fine to say that diamonds in the rough are rare but I just showed where they aren't that rare. The only reason that most people pick up left tackles in the draft usually high is that they cost so much in free agency. Guards on the other hand are not nearly as expensive.

I would be okay picking up a tackle at 14 to replace Gross if there were one out there worth that, but not a guard unless we had other positions already covered. We can do what we did a few years ago when we picked up Vincent, bring in a bunch of guys and separate the wheat from the chaff. Given the Giants history of drafting and Gettleman being from there, don't be surprised if we don't go o-line this year. The last time the Giants drafted an offensive linemen in the first round was 1999.

[panthers55]

Why pass on a blue chip who's #1 at his position....at the same time filling a huge need

Just saying

Gettleman if he follows the Giant's history won't be doing that. They don't draft o linemen high, they acquire them in later rounds or through free agency.

And guard is not a huge need just one of many.

[TheRumGone]

Gettleman if he follows the Giant's history won't be doing that. They don't draft o linemen high, they acquire them in later rounds or through free agency.

And guard is not a huge need just one of many.

This is probably true. And although I want Warmack badly, Gettleman apparently has a great instinct about players in later rounds. So why not pick up Oline later if Gettleman has that ability. I really have no idea which way we are going to go.

[Rubi]

Why don't you do the research. I just picked the top rated lines and showed you were they all pick up guys in later rounds. It is fine to say that diamonds in the rough are rare but I just showed where they aren't that rare. The only reason that most people pick up left tackles in the draft usually high is that they cost so much in free agency. Guards on the other hand are not nearly as expensive.

I would be okay picking up a tackle at 14 to replace Gross if there were one out there worth that, but not a guard unless we had other positions already covered. We can do what we did a few years ago when we picked up Vincent, bring in a bunch of guys and separate the wheat from the chaff. Given the Giants history of drafting and Gettleman being from there, don't be surprised if we don't go o-line this year. The last time the Giants drafted an offensive linemen in the first round was 1999.

Well in 2010 the 49ers used two first round picks on two OLine players. Davis and Iupati.

Sorry if I don't agree with plug and play patchwork players to protect our franchise player. And we do not have the cap flexibility to bring in quality pieces...at any position...

[Rubi]

I think limiting who you pick based on perceived value at a particular slot in the draft is a mistake. The number 1 need for this team right now is creating a strong offensive line. Just so happens probably the BPA may be Warmack at 14. It will open up the entire offense and it will make the team that much better. We are in a position to either draft the best guard in the draft or trade down, acquire another pick, and then select him (if he's available).

The 1st selection needs to be G or T.

[csx]

We don't have to have first round talent, we have to have talent that produces regardless of where it is found. What we need is a plan to build a good line, its not something that happens in one draft.

Iupati was regarded as one of the best guards to come along in a decade and he went 17th. I don't think there is chance we take one at 14 and think that would be quite foolish considering that an impact DT or Safety should be there.

[Captain Morgan]

good discussion in this thread.

if Warmack is as good as they say, I'd take him as long as there is no OT of value available at that pick.

I think it's too risky to trade back 5 spots or so and think he will still be there. I wouldn't mind Cooper

in the second if he falls that far.

But this thread has convinced me we should go O line in the first, and maybe even the second as well.

I've said before, we should get some really good value in the second.