Who's your "prime target"?

[rayzor]

Same here. That's why I'm asking other people about theirs :lol:

Will say this, though. Feels nice to be able to think that the guy running the draft is someone who knows what he's doing, don't ya think?

Somebody sell me on Allen. I haven't researched him that much.

not sure why, but I've got this reggie wayne vibe coming from allen. nothing flashy, just an incredible producer. can do it all as a receiver and do it really well.

[Memphis]

My dream scenario if we are not able to trade down is:

#14 Star Lotulelei

We need a interior presence alongside Dwan Edwards to command double teams, allowing CJ, Hardy and Alexander to get advantageous match ups on the edge. Also it would keep the opposing offensive line men to get past the perimeter and completely neutralize our excellent linebackers from getting to the ball carrier. Star in my book is that guy and I would love to have him.

#44 Robert Woods

I really like Woods route running and hands. He is a smooth player that reminds me of Reggie Wayne and I think he could take over as our #1 guy. Another option as for this pick could be Kyle Long or Terron Armstead to sure up our tackle situation or David Amerson for our needy CB situation. A last option could be D.J Swearinger which would allow us to move Godfrey to FS, perhaps a better position for him.

[carolina-chuck]

I am not saying a short receiver does not have his roll on a football field. I am saying that the roll of the 5’9’’ receiver and the roll of the 6’4’’ receiver is different. It is more than just their route running etc. A tall receiver is a red zone threat in ways that a 5’9” receiver cannot be. If you are ignorant of this fact I can not help you.

I am also arguing that Carolina has 6 short SHORT receivers. 6 Players that have a similar build and roll in the offense. 6 players that can double as kick returner type players. We do not need a 7^th WR of the same body type.

Look at one of the best team last season in Seattle. They were one, if not the smallest group of receivers in the league. Now, they're going to be even better and smaller with the addition of Percy Harvin. Size doesnt matter.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Look at one of the best team last season in Seattle. They were one, if not the smallest group of receivers in the league. Now, they're going to be even better and smaller with the addition of Percy Harvin. Size doesnt matter.

Ok let's look at seattle's WRs:

Phil Bates 6'1"

Jermaine Kearse 6'1"

Charly Martin 6'1"

Sidney Rice 6'4"

Bryan Walters 6'0"

Steven Williams 6'4"

They do have 4 receivers under 6'.... So 4 out of 10 receivers...... Which is strange in today's NFL to your credit. But, did I mention we have 6! 6 out of 9 receivers under 6' and you want to add another!

And please tell me again how size doesn't matter to Pete Carroll

[JeremyNH]

Mine is still Keenan Allen in the first with a poor-mans-tavon-austin, Ryan Swope, in the 4th. Good hands and will be mentored by one of the best small sized, big impact receivers in the league, smitty.

[cultclassiccat]

He's 6'2 so he's tall, he's got decent speed (4.4 or 4.5 would be my guess), and great ball skills -- just throw the ball somewhere in his vicinity and he'll catch it. He has all the physical skills to succeed; a genuine height, weight, speed guy.

When you're scouting for a WR, it's incredibly importance that they're productive. It's quite hard to get top receivers who haven't had 1k yard receiving years in college. Really, just go through the list of all your favourite receivers and check their college stats. Allen has been UBER productive. He had 1300 yards receiving in 2011 and was on par to be Cal's no.1 all time receiver in 2012 until he got hurt. Still, with only 9 games under his belt, he gathered 700 yards and 6 TDs.

We haven't even talked about this guy's intangible's yet. This isn't a Randy Moss, Desean Jackson type diva we're talking about here. He's not gonna get himself into any serious trouble. This is a self motivated gym-rat who has the work ethic worthy of a 1st round pick.

Really, the only thing that's keeping him back is that partial tear on his knee.

and he's from the boro!

Wouldnt mind one bit if we got him... but now with hixon on the team who knows.

[nickzz]

#14 star, if he's there. or allen.

#44 hunter or elam

[cultclassiccat]

Look at one of the best team last season in Seattle. They were one, if not the smallest group of receivers in the league. Now, they're going to be even better and smaller with the addition of Percy Harvin. Size doesnt matter.

steelers last yr had Wallace, Sanders and Brown doing a good job for them, all are barely 6ft and under.

[carolina-chuck]

Ok let's look at seattle's WRs:

Phil Bates 6'1"

Jermaine Kearse 6'1"

Charly Martin 6'1"

Sidney Rice 6'4"

Bryan Walters 6'0"

Steven Williams 6'4"

They do have 4 receivers under 6'.... So 4 out of 10 receivers...... Which is strange in today's NFL to your credit. But, did I mention we have 6! 6 out of 9 receivers under 6' and you want to add another!

And please tell me again how size doesn't matter to Pete Carroll

LOL...... worst defense ever. You seriously went on Seattle's page to look at their receviers. Other than Sidney Rice, how many of those guys actually contributed for Seattle last year? Nada. Who the hell is Phil Bates, Jermaine Kearse, Charly Martin (former Panthers), Walters, and Steven Williams? lol

[ItsPantone278]

moving up to take anyone in the first round would be one of the few things that would get me upset in this draft...esp. since we have so few picks this year.

no more mortgaging the future.

There is no future. The future is now.

[JawnyBlaze]

To be fair, Seattle is not a great example to prove a point about WRs or a passing offense in general. Theirs was one of the worst. They won games with great defense and running the ball.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

LOL...... worst defense ever. You seriously went on Seattle's page to look at their receviers. Other than Sidney Rice, how many of those guys actually contributed for Seattle last year? Nada. Who the hell is Phil Bates, Jermaine Kearse, Charly Martin (former Panthers), Walters, and Steven Williams? lol

I am sorry I actually back up the things I say with a little research. How do you approach the "well thought out" posts you make? I assume you base them off of your extensive knowledge of the NFL that you ascertain from sitting on your couch watching sportscenter?

I am sorry our methods for understanding how things work differ. When I want to know something, I go look at statistics and don't base my decisions off my gut feeling.

For example, if you can find one statistic that would explain why height is not an important factor for recievers I would love to hear it. I have already told you how a reciever under 6' did not catch more than 8 TDs last year, your response?? The tall people have good QBs! Seriously man? That is your argument? Then you decide the Seahawks are your next arguing point and well over half the recievers on their roster are over 6'.

So, lets look at the Seahawks recieving yards and TDs last year

6'4'' Sidney Rice 748 yards, 7TDs

5'10" Golden Tate 688 yards, 7 TDs

6'5" Zach Miller 396 yards, 3 TDs

5'10" Doug Baldwin 366 yards, 3 TDs

6'5" Anthony McCoy 291 yards, 3 TDs

6'3" Braylon Edwards 74 yards, 1TD

6'4" Ben Obamanu 58 yards

6'1" Charly Martin 42 yards

6'2" Jermaine Kearse 31 yards

6'6" Evan Moore 6 yards

So, out of 2,700 yards, 1646 were to recievers over 6' or 61%

Not to mention out of 24 TDs, 14 were to recievers over 6' or 58%

So for the 'shortest' team in the league, according to you, over half the recieving stats were still put up by people over 6'.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

I think we have enough offensive weapons now. I'll take a dominant OT or DT in the first and the best available OG/DT/CB/S in the second

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

steelers last yr had Wallace, Sanders and Brown doing a good job for them, all are barely 6ft and under.

I think it is interesting that teams with obvious lack of WR height tend to make up for it with impressive TE play.

Looking at the Steelers, Mike Wallace only 6' had 800+ yards and 8TDs but Heath Miller 6'5" also had 800+ yards and 8 TDs. These of course were Pittsburgs 2 leaders in receiving statistics. They were followed by 5'10" Antonio Brown with 700+ and 5TDs.

It may also be important to note that the Steelers were 8-8 this year after going 12-4 for two seasons in a row, and if we look back to possible changes in the wide reciever core for an answer to why, the only significant personel difference is the loss of Hines Ward 6'0". Of course, not all the fault would go to the short WRs