Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[La Pantera]

Now compare with the 2011 class of Julio and AJ that you guys like to bring up so much. And if the league is moving to a pass heavy system why are we drafting run stuffers and not playmakers?

That "run stuffer" you're talking about will be HUGE in the pass rush. How? He will comand double and triple teams. Leaving the other 3 Dlinemen with 1 on 1's. Therefore making it easier on them to produce sacks/fumbles/loss of yards. And in return ruining the "pass happy" offenses chances of scoring.

[CRA]

Is it a safe wager we would have picked the one that produces like a stud WR? What was the safer wager, Star, Kwann or a WR in the first or second round. Do you know? Should we have just guessed at the WR? Or is Star and Kwann more productive in college than any of the wide recievers available at their respective positions.

No...and you never will land one if you never add the talent in the draft. Can you name a franchise that has invested fewer first and second round picks than Carolina over the last 15 years?

Hopkins' 2012 season poo'd on most of those drafted if you look at there 2012 season.

[TheRed]

Strictly based on opinion..Richardson was taken while Star was still on the board. There was an unusual amount of o line depth in this draft which is why other positions fell.

Most of you were screaming get Hopkins in the second when I stated over and over again that he wouldn't be there.

Too many of ya'll say there wasnt a Julio or Megatron etc... well if that's what your waiting for its never going to happen. Julio Jones went higher than Roddy White but right now he's the #2 on that team.

You check back with me during the next few years. DeAndre Hopkins will have a bigger impact than Star ever will.

I don't know why you guys act like the Panther model is gold. We are a franchise that never has put together consecutive winning seasons.

A franchise QB with a bunch of stop gap WRs is not a model I am happy with. What playmakers have we added to this team since drafting Cam?

Hopkins will have a bigger impact than Star?????

You sound like an incredible homer for this guy, so adios to your credibility.

Our "model" has already begun to change. When was the last time we drafted two DT's in the first two rounds? You can piss and moan that we didn't draft your boy Hopkins until you're blue in the face, the draft is over.

[TheRumGone]

No...and you never will land one if you never add the talent in the draft.

Hopkins' 2012 season > most 2012 seasons put in by first rounders. More productive.

 

So you would rather just take a WR who is possibly not as good as a DT because we need a WR, so you just take the chance? Even if it means you don't get the best player out of the deal? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

I would rather Gettleman take his personal BPA, get our cap under control, add WR talent through FA, and draft BPA again next year. Keep doing it like that and in 4 years we will have a stacked team from top to bottom.

[AceBoogie]

The only problem with that is we have a new GM. He invested in DT's for his FIRST draft. That is something we are not use to. Who is to say he won't double down on WR next year? How do you know Star is not going to be as impactful at Hopkins? You are dealing in hypotheticals just as the rest of us are. You know nothing, just like we know nothing. We took stellar prospect DT's with the first two picks.

How do you know a WR isn't going to break out this year? We have a young core. This is an offense that put up a ton of yards the past two seasons. And a defense that gave up a ton of Rushing yards. We needed WR help and we needed DT help. We don't know anything, and to say this GM is the same as Marty, which you were infering in the text I bolded, makes you sound ignorant.

This draft was actually very Marty like. I wasnt trying to compare the two but lets not act like Marty didn't just draft Cam and Luke the anchors of our team. You can say what you want about Hurney and his contacts but the foundation of this team was anchored by Marty Hurney like it our not.

Again not trying to compare the two but Hurney also doubled up on DTs before and here we are 3 years later doing it again. I don't want to be in a situation where we have to double up on WRs is my point. No qb has ever made a deep run in the playoffs starting two rookie wrs.

The DT position was a deep one in this draft. We could have and did get one very easily at 44. You can go back in old threads and you'll see that I said if we don't pick a WR at 14 we won't get one because they will fly off the board after that.

We can agree to disagree but if you take Hopkins at 14 and a DT at 44. You improve your offense and defense. It's been all defense minus Cam since Rivera arrived.

It's funny that people bring up Barner because I find it ironic that they asked Deangelo to restructure after rookie camp instead of realeasing him like a lot cried for.

[Mr. Scot]

why? Let's be honest, we are no longer in need of Beason's true skill set any longer

Beason still has the skill to be an effective outside linebacker. And for whatever you think of him, can you honestly give me the name of a backup LB on the roster who's just as good?

And yeah, there's the risk of losing him to injury. With Britt, there's also the risk of injury added in to the risk he'll do something stupid and get suspended. That happens and you've downgraded two positions.

Not a risk I wanna see us take.

[TheRumGone]

No...and you never will land one if you never add the talent in the draft. Can you name a franchise that has invested fewer first and second round picks than Carolina over the last 15 years?

Hopkins' 2012 season poo'd on most of those drafted if you look at there 2012 season.

 

I'll also note that you are comparing Hopkings WR stats to a Star's DT stats, you are obviously smart enough to know that DT's presence doesn't always show up in stats.

[TheRed]

So you would rather just take a WR who is possibly not as good as a DT because we need a WR, so you just take the chance? Even if it means you don't get the best player out of the deal? Doesn't make sense to me.

I would rather Gettleman take his personal BPA, get our cap under control, add WR talent through FA, and draft BPA again next year. Keep doing it like that and in 4 years we will have a stacked team from top to bottom.

Sounds like reaching for need to me.

Which is something many arm chair GM's here would do if given the opportunity.

[AceBoogie]

So you would rather just take a WR who is possibly not as good as a DT because we need a WR, so you just take the chance? Even if it means you don't get the best player out of the deal? Doesn't make sense to me.

I would rather Gettleman take his personal BPA, get our cap under control, add WR talent through FA, and draft BPA again next year. Keep doing it like that and in 4 years we will have a stacked team from top to bottom.

You keep doing it like that and in four years Cam won't be here. This team has failed to surround him with young talent.

[TheRumGone]

This draft was actually very Marty like. I wasnt trying to compare the two but lets not act like Marty didn't just draft Cam and Luke the anchors of our team. You can say what you want about Hurney and his contacts but the foundation of this team was anchored by Marty Hurney like it our not.

Again not trying to compare the two but Hurney also doubled up on DTs before and here we are 3 years later doing it again. I don't want to be in a situation where we have to double up on WRs is my point. No qb has ever made a deep run in the playoffs starting two rookie wrs.

The DT position was a deep one in this draft. We could have and did get one very easily at 44. You can go back in old threads and you'll see that I said if we don't pick a WR at 14 we won't get one because they will fly off the board after that.

We can agree to disagree but if you take Hopkins at 14 and a DT at 44. You improve your offense and defense. It's been all defense minus Cam since Rivera arrived.

It's funny that people bring up Barner because I find it ironic that they asked Deangelo to restructure after rookie camp instead of realeasing him like a lot cried for.

 

I can see what you are saying. But honestly, i don't think you pass up a prospect like Star. But that is just my opinion. I think Star makes us a better team day 1, then Hopkins would. I think his impact on the defense will not just be in the stat line but obviously the entire defense.  Star makes our team better, not just our defense. IMO

 

[CRA]

So you would rather just take a WR who is possibly not as good as a DT because we need a WR, so you just take the chance? Even if it means you don't get the best player out of the deal? Doesn't make sense to me.

I would rather Gettleman take his personal BPA, get our cap under control, add WR talent through FA, and draft BPA again next year. Keep doing it like that and in 4 years we will have a stacked team from top to bottom.

BPA factors in need. That is what all 32 BPA boards look different.

We need to draft young WR talent to grow with Cam. Not rent 1 yr reject vets.

Didn't like the double down at DT. Too many holes. Gettlemen already acknowledged there where other players horizontally on his BPA board for our picks. That means he just choose DT over other spots. Board goes vertically and horizontally.

[TheRumGone]

You keep doing it like that and in four years Cam won't be here. This team has failed to surround him with young talent.

 

Incorrect. FA WR is a possiblity next year and the year after. Cam will be here for 10+ more years, mark my words.

[AceBoogie]

Hopkins will have a bigger impact than Star?????

You sound like an incredible homer for this guy, so adios to your credibility.

Our "model" has already begun to change. When was the last time we drafted two DT's in the first two rounds? You can piss and moan that we didn't draft your boy Hopkins until you're blue in the face, the draft is over.

Well yes I have watched Hopkins play in person so I knoe what he will be at the next level. So do the Texans. I can only imagine if we had Andre Johnson you guys wouldn't want us to take a WR for 50 years.

All I hear is we have Steve smith. Smitty smitty smitty. We don't need a WR we have Steve Smith. I love him too guys but he's not the same guy anymore he dropped some easy ones last year, didn't have the same burst and was always falling down.

[TheRumGone]

BPA factors in need. That is what all 32 BPA boards look different.

We need to draft young WR talent to grow with Cam. Not rent 1 yr reject vets.

Didn't like the double down at DT. Too many holes. Gettlemen already acknowledged there where other players horizontally on his BPA board for our picks. That means he just choose DT over other spots. Board goes vertically and horizontally.

 

No they also look different because different coaches and different scouts view players differently. While some may say hey this guy fits our defense better than this guy. This WR would do well in our system over this guy.

 

Some may say, hey this guy has the motor to mask his deficiencies and rank him higher than another guy who maybe has better physical tools.

 

BPA factors in need for the obvious picks not to take.

 

We wouldn't have taken Kwann in the second if we were using BPA by need.