Aaron Rodgers 2012. One of the most sacked QBs.. 108 QB rating and 39 TDs.

[Guest KingKam]

I don't understand your point...

 

tom brady was a 3x pro bowler, 3x super bowl champion, and already considered a hall of famer before welker or moss put on a patriot uniform.

 

wayne, harrison, and clark were all products of peyton manning.

 

thomas, decker, and welker are better now because of manning.

 

it doesn't matter if they were good beforehand, average, or flat outright bad...an elite qb makes his recievers better. period.

Are you talking about reggie wayne? The guy with 106 catches last year? The guy with claw of a hand? The Reggie Wayne? You must be talking about some other wayne. Marvin Harrison was product of peyton? You need to chill with that $poo. You're discrediting peyton by saying $hit like that. You sound stupid, buddy!

[Guest KingKam]

I don't understand your point...

 

tom brady was a 3x pro bowler, 3x super bowl champion, and already considered a hall of famer before welker or moss put on a patriot uniform.

 

wayne, harrison, and clark were all products of peyton manning.

 

thomas, decker, and welker are better now because of manning.

 

it doesn't matter if they were good beforehand, average, or flat outright bad...an elite qb makes his recievers better. period.

By the way, how do they do that? Easy to say but not so easy to explain, is it? You know why that is? Because you're full of $poo.

[mav1234]

We don't need Cam to be Manning or Brady of today in order to win.  So I don't see the point in entertaining comparisons to HOF QBs at this point in their careers.

[Argus Plexus]

my god why

[Cpt slay a ho]

i don't understand why people constantly compare Cam to Brady or Manning............he's not that type of qb, Big Ben is probably the closes and he has some similarities to Steve Young. Your always comparing him to some of the GOAT's when you shouldn't, One bad game and everyone get's amnesia.

[Guest KingKam]

I lurk on other teams forum but what I notice is after every lost there are at least 10 threads created specifically about Cam. Even in Games that were lost by a running back fumble. Which got me thinking, this poo is not even about football. We might debate it around the football topic but it's not. I believe there are people out there who wants us to lose just to poo on the QB because he's black. Especially when you see people comparing him to Luke who freaking plays defense.

 

Well, here is what I have to say about that. If you're a white man and you want every positions in the NFL to be played by white men, well whose fault is that they're not? They certainly had more than their fair chance. And don't blame it on a conspiracy either. If you don't know or pretend you don't know the answer that, just shot the f+ck up and accept it because that's all you can do. You probably barely have control over your miserable little life, what makes you think you can control such thing. It's annoying as a panther fan to come in here to talk about football to have to deal with all those subtle bullshit. 

 

And guess what, you have options. There is this place called Hockey land where you can feast your eyes on all the white men you could ever dream of.

[CPcavedweller]

Cam is the problem. Time will tell.

Your the problem. Go cheer for your fugging Cowgirls or open your eyes to who the fug our coaching staff is. SCRUBSSSSSSSS

[thefuzz]

Newsflash here for you: It takes more than 2 full seasons and 4 games for a quarterback to make progress.

 

Let's also not forget that said quarterback has essentially wasted all this time with a now lame duck head coach.

 

That may be one of the dumber things I have ever seen posted on this board.

 

Some here think that Cam has shown lot's of progress, some think little, some think none.

 

If an NFL player takes more than 2 years and 4 games to start showing progress, you are probably stuck with what you see.  And that's fine, but we need to get some coaching and support that can win with what Cam is giving us.

 

The issues that I have been pointing out for two years, while saying the whole time that if Cam would fix them he could be great, are still there.

 

He may fix them, he may not, but this is the year to find out.  That said, you don't get rid of him even if he can't fix the issues, you just need to learn to deal with it and win.

[TheRed]

That may be one of the dumber things I have ever seen posted on this board.

 

Some here think that Cam has shown lot's of progress, some think little, some think none.

 

If an NFL player takes more than 2 years and 4 games to start showing progress, you are probably stuck with what you see.  And that's fine, but we need to get some coaching and support that can win with what Cam is giving us.

 

The issues that I have been pointing out for two years, while saying the whole time that if Cam would fix them he could be great, are still there.

 

He may fix them, he may not, but this is the year to find out.  That said, you don't get rid of him even if he can't fix the issues, you just need to learn to deal with it and win.

 

What are you talking about? The entire point is that these issues are rarely entirely corrected by a quarterback in such a short period of time. These kinds of issues are increased greatly when your quarterback has a patchwork offensive line with undrafted free agents.

 

Cam has improving to do, like any young QB, but it seems I am talking to a brick wall here in regards to your expectations given our current circumstances and state of our franchise right now. Until things change at the very top here, it doesn't matter who is behind center.

[thefuzz]

What are you talking about? The entire point is that these issues are rarely entirely corrected by a quarterback in such a short period of time. These kinds of issues are increased greatly when your quarterback has a patchwork offensive line with undrafted free agents.

 

Cam has improving to do, like any young QB, but it seems I am talking to a brick wall here in regards to your expectations given our current circumstances and state of our franchise right now. Until things change at the very top here, it doesn't matter who is behind center.

 

 

Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

I am not ready to throw in the towel, but Cam needs to start improving in a couple areas if he wants the mega deal, and wants to win on a consistent basis.

 

Every QB has room to improve, Newton is no exception.  He does need better coaching, that's for sure.

[footballisasport]

The problem IS Cam not the O line. Packers 2012 O line was abysmal and Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBs in the league and his QB rating was still 108 and he had 39 TD passes. What more is it going to take before we realize Cam is not and never will be elite. Even Jay Cutler plays pretty solid under a abysmal O line. Dont get me wrong, our O line is terrible but so was the Packers. Elite QBs perform well in spite of bad O line play.

 

You are comparing Cam to someone who has been in the league 8 years and playing for four before he was able to achieve the stats that he did in 2012 and on a team that was/is still way better than the Panthers on a extremely bad day? You are either bored or hate your QB to even attempt to determine whether Cam is or will never be an "elite QB" with such shallow observation. Do you realize, that unlike Cam, Rogers, Peyton, Brady wer all given a chance to succees? You folks simply want to drain Cam of every ounce of his talent then discard him like trash under the guise that he wasn't "elite enough." Like you know what an Elite QB really looks like. U are talking and comparing Cam to QBs who are considered in their prime. They are more than seasoned and were given a chance to grow into their position as "elite QB."

 

Do you realize you are seriously comparing a very well seasoned vet with a much better O-line, even on a bad day, with your team and a fanbase who seem to believe that no matter what is wrong with the Panthers, Cam should be used in every which way to over-come it?

 

FYI, real "elite QBs" aren't allowed to be burnt out by teams and their fans. They are groomed and given a chance to make mistakes and grow.

 

This seems to be the mindset of many of you in a nutshell when it comes to Cam and the Panthers: The Defense is struggling, that's okay we've got Cam. The secondary is struggle, that's okay we've got Cam. The O-line and Receivers are struggling, that's okay we're got Cam. And when the team continues to lose, the team is fine, Cam is the problem.

[TheRed]

Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

I am not ready to throw in the towel, but Cam needs to start improving in a couple areas if he wants the mega deal, and wants to win on a consistent basis.

 

Every QB has room to improve, Newton is no exception.  He does need better coaching, that's for sure.

 

Cam deserves an opportunity with a staff that actually knows how to properly utilize him and play to his strengths. We aren't going to be able to do this by hiring another defensive coordinator that has no clue about offense as head coach. We need to change philosophies.

 

Will that actually happen? I have doubts, our owner may be stuck in his old school ways. I will hold out hope though.

 

First thing is, we need to actually build around Cam. You see other young QB's who were surrounded by talent via the draft from the jump. What have we done? Well with Amini out for the season, that makes zero starters drafted on offense since Cam got here in 2011.

 

We've put band aid after band aid on the offense, and hoped it will work out for the best. Well it clearly hasn't. It's time to make some real investments and actually protect our quarterback with a real offensive line, and no I am not talking about undrafted free agents either.

 

Should we talk about our current WR core? All of them except Steve Smith are free agents next year. The only one who has stepped up is Ted Ginn Jr, and he's outplayed Brandon Lafell who is in a contract year. That leaves Hixon who can't get on the field, and AE.

 

Yet we wonder why our quarterback pretty much only trusts Steve Smith and Greg Olsen.

 

Bottom line is, no quarterback is going to be successful if you do not make an attempt to actually build around him.

[footballisasport]

Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

I am not ready to throw in the towel, but Cam needs to start improving in a couple areas if he wants the mega deal, and wants to win on a consistent basis.

 

Every QB has room to improve, Newton is no exception.  He does need better coaching, that's for sure.

 

Go back and check the record of the so called "Ellite QBs." Many of them are not asked to do much more than manage a team when they first start out. They are given endless chances to succeed. That is why we can call them "elite QBs" today. They are not intentionally burnt out nor ask to do more than they have to. U see when so called Elite QBs like Peyton, Brady start out, they are treated just like Luck.

 

Just some insight: Cam vs. Luck. Two # 1 Draft picks in consecutive years. Do you realize that all Luck is asked to do is MANAGE his team? He's not asked to do anything more than pass the ball off  to his RECEIVERS, and make a few short and long throws down the field. His O-line and Receivers are the ones doing pretty much all of the work to both protect him and get the ball down to the endzone. And he's the future "ELITE QB."

 

Cam on the other hand, is worked like a horse. The Panthers have holes in any part of their team, that's okay, that's why we got Cam. He will handle the opposing team and minimize our teams issues. That seems to be the mindset of way to many of you.

 

Unlike Luck, Cam has to prove that he's even qualified to be a starting QB never mind an "elite QB." And unlike Luck, Cam is scrutinized by fans, as if they are experts, who only seem to like him for as much as he helps the Panthers and all of it's issues, win. Sad!!!

[rodeo]

You won't find a QB in his third season in NFL history who performed better than Cam. Not Peyton Manning, not Jim Kelly, not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers, not Joe Montana.