Officially Concerned about the Offense

[thefuzz]

These are probably the same people, who feel "Jay Cutler is a more refined passer than Cam", or deserves a big contract more than Newton does. Do they watch football, notice what's happening in front of them? Shrugs. 

 

 

I feel that I am a poster here that is critical of most players, wanting them to be better.

 

Jay and Cam are not that different, except Cam has shown that he is willing to be coached, has a good personality, and is a much better runner.  Both of them can make the WTF throws, and the holy cow, how did he do it throws.

 

They both prefer to see their man get open vs. throwing to a spot.

 

The biggest difference, Jay has reached his ceiling, Cam still has a ways to go.

[intangiblejohnny]

I will bet anyone that Cam has two or less high, uncatchable balls during the divisional game. Just let me know what you want to bet. Not cash, obviously.

[WarDamnPanthers]

Offense will get up for the playoffs. Especially with first-game HFA.

[PghPanther]

Does ANYONE disagree with McNutt getting more snaps?

Nope not at all.......

 

I saw a highlight tape of his college days and he is a gamer.............but trying to morph into a pro system of route running and play calling during the playoffs is really a tough call.

 

 

[Snake]

I'm going out on a limb here but I will take a shot.

 

Oakland and possibly Indy.

 

I really dont see how Indy has a bad group. Both Heyward-Bey and Wayne are good WRs. Oakland though may be worse but still they have more passing yards than we do and only scored 1 point less than us(thats going threw 2 QBs as well). If not for our defense this team would have been 3-13 for sure. Our system puts more on a QB than any other system in the league. We have no run game and for us to win Cam has to commit no errors and keep the ball moving.

[panthers55]

The funny thing to me is that Cam would likely disagree with many of the apologists who constantly make excuses for him.  What I have seen and heard from him suggests he is his own toughest critic and blames himself when things go wrong instead of looking for other scapegoats.

The result of that is that he constantly strives to get better and improve.  He doesn't get complacent or think that it isn't his job to make all the proper throws or that it was the receivers fault when sometimes it clearly was.

 

I suspect that he would be the first person to tell the apologists that it was his fault and he is the most responsible when things go wrong.  Is that always the case?  No.  But successful people take the blame and shoulder the responsibility for themselves as well as others.  That is what makes them so successful and what makes them a leader.  

[panthers55]

Receiver corps and quarterbacks are linked together for better or worse.  Quarterbacks make their receivers look better and receivers do the same for the quarterback.  Look at how New England's receivers have improved over the year?  Because they were a good group or because Brady made them better?

 

If the receivers suck it is a function of both the quarterback and the receivers (also coaching and game planning as well). They don't exist in a vacuum so in a way denigrating the receivers denigrates Cam as well because they operate interdependently.

[Snake]

The funny thing to me is that Cam would likely disagree with many of the apologists who constantly make excuses for him.  What I have seen and heard from him suggests he is his own toughest critic and blames himself when things go wrong instead of looking for other scapegoats.

The result of that is that he constantly strives to get better and improve.  He doesn't get complacent or think that it isn't his job to make all the proper throws or that it was the receivers fault when sometimes it clearly was.

 

I suspect that he would be the first person to tell the apologists that it was his fault and he is the most responsible when things go wrong.  Is that always the case?  No.  But successful people take the blame and shoulder the responsibility for themselves as well as others.  That is what makes so successful and what makes them a leader.  

 

He is the QB, thats his job. Still he has done wonders for what has been put around him. Hopefully this year there will be a new revived focus on building around Cam Newton.

[panthers55]

He is the QB, thats his job. Still he has done wonders for what has been put around him. Hopefully this year there will be a new revived focus on building around Cam Newton.

He has made some great strides this year.  The most noteworthy for me is that he has become money when the game is on the line.  And of all the attributes a quarterback may have, that one is right at the top.  I on the other hand don't make excuses for what has been put around him because with a salary cap there is always push and pull about where you spend your money and where you have to skimp.  What he lacks in offensive talent he makes up for in having a great defense which allows him not to have to put up 35 points to win a game.  We would all love to have dominant players on offense, defense, and special teams but it doesn't usually work that way.

[CPF4LIFE]

I'm going out on a limb here but I will take a shot.

 

Oakland and possibly Indy.

 

Call me crazy but i kinda like what Oakland is working with. Moore, Streater, and Holmes are pretty good. Big athletic receivers that can run. Did you see the Dallas game on Thanksgiving? Those guys were making crazy catches all over the place when they were covered. They really need to get that QB situation right over there so they can prosper.

[MadHatter]

The funny thing to me is that Cam would likely disagree with many of the apologists who constantly make excuses for him.  What I have seen and heard from him suggests he is his own toughest critic and blames himself when things go wrong instead of looking for other scapegoats.

The result of that is that he constantly strives to get better and improve.  He doesn't get complacent or think that it isn't his job to make all the proper throws or that it was the receivers fault when sometimes it clearly was.

 

I suspect that he would be the first person to tell the apologists that it was his fault and he is the most responsible when things go wrong.  Is that always the case?  No.  But successful people take the blame and shoulder the responsibility for themselves as well as others.  That is what makes them so successful and what makes them a leader.  

 

Agree 100%.

 

After the past few games, Cam was the first to talk about his high throws and that his mechanics were not good at times.

 

Guy just has a constrant drive to be better.

[MadHatter]

He has made some great strides this year.  The most noteworthy for me is that he has become money when the game is on the line.  And of all the attributes a quarterback may have, that one is right at the top.  I on the other hand don't make excuses for what has been put around him because with a salary cap there is always push and pull about where you spend your money and where you have to skimp.  What he lacks in offensive talent he makes up for in having a great defense which allows him not to have to put up 35 points to win a game.  We would all love to have dominant players on offense, defense, and special teams but it doesn't usually work that way.

 

It is even more than "coming through when the game was on the line".

 

To me the most remarkable thing he did was come through when the game was on the line.....during games when he was struggling.

 

It is one thing to have a good game and come through at the end.

 

It is completely another to be struggling and then dig deep down and come through HUGE at the end.

 

 

[*FreeFua*]

Receiver corps and quarterbacks are linked together for better or worse. Quarterbacks make their receivers look better and receivers do the same for the quarterback. Look at how New England's receivers have improved over the year? Because they were a good group or because Brady made them better?

If the receivers suck it is a function of both the quarterback and the receivers (also coaching and game planning as well). They don't exist in a vacuum so in a way denigrating the receivers denigrates Cam as well because they operate interdependently.

Um... Most teams receivers help out there QB and vice versa. Like brought up previously in this thread, the WR's don't bail out Cam when needed. Unless Cam throws a perfect ball these guys aren't coming down with it.

Olsen made a nice catch on Sunday, but I wouldn't say it was a bad throw. Cam threw it only where Olsen would be able to get to it.

So if you could give me examples of these guys making Cam look good, go for it.

[panthers55]

Um... Most teams receivers help out there QB and vice versa. Like brought up previously in this thread, the WR's don't bail out Cam when needed. Unless Cam throws a perfect ball these guys aren't coming down with it.

Olsen made a nice catch on Sunday, but I wouldn't say it was a bad throw. Cam threw it only where Olsen would be able to get to it.

So if you could give me examples of these guys making Cam look good, go for it.

HIxon making a diving catch to score the game winning touchdown with less than a minute remaining.  Ginn snagging the ball over the middle and running for another 25 yards before he goes out of bounds.  Olsen going high to bring a throw that was not perfectly thrown.

 

All those on one winning drive against New Orleans. 

 

How about Williams taking a dump off pass in the flat and turning it into a 90 yard touchdown against the Jets.

 

Need more??  I got tons.