Bay Area Writer: Kaepernick One-Read QB, Cam Actually Reads Defenses

[CRA]

He has better weapons NOW, but he did NOT for most of the season. Your 2nd WR has more career receptions that our previous 2nd, 3rd, and 4th COMBINED. Now that Crabtree and Patton is back, all three of those guys have been cut or traded.

Think about that: our number 2, 3 and 4 for most of the.season are no longer on the.team...

False. You drastically are overrating Crabtree.

The "other" guys you have aren't bad. Boldin was arguably the MVP of last years postseason. He can still ball AND makes up for poor throws. Davis is a beast recieving target. He will be the biggest mismatch on the field Sunday.

Issue in chunks of the year is opponents figuring out CK's pass habits and when you have the defensive talent to go attack that. Crabtree doesn't make that go away

[Varking]

Bottom line is Kap is better on 3rd, 4th downs. Hes better on the deep ball. hes better when the game is close whether they are up by 1-8 points, or playing from behind 1-8 points. Kap is more clutch.  

Colin Kaep when tied or losing: 10 TDs, 7 INT. Completion %s of 54 when trailing. 57 when tied.

Cam Newt when tied or losing: 14 TDs, 8 INT. Completion %s of 55 when trailing and 64 when tied.

 

Cam also has 1 rushing TD when tied or losing. Kaep has 0. So while turning the ball over 1 more time, he did score 5 more touchdowns when tied or losing. Cam also has 45 scrambles for first downs and Kaep isn't even close to that. 

 

In the 4th quarter -/+ within 7 points, Kaep has 0 passing touchdowns and 1 pick.

In the 4th quarter -/+ within 7 points, Cam has 3 passing touchdowns to 1 pick.

 

Those are more clutch. You can verify these numbers via ESPN.

[CRA]

Colin is on a MUCH better team than Cam, PERIOD. The fact that the sports media is endlessly harping about all these QBs needing better weapons but Cam playing with a bunch of hodge-podge players and a Receiver who is almost 40 is quite fine with them, is very tell. They are not even trying to pretend anymore because they know there are many Panthers fans who HATE Cam so much that they are more than willing to not only support them but feed them with their own ammo against Cam.

I swear some of you folks need your damn head examined because you will believe any dumb isn along as it feeds your egos.

No he isn't.

Cam does more with less. How? Bc he is better. Cam moves the ball better, moves his weaker surrounding offense down the field better.

[Varking]

Well hes better at rushing for first downs, on third down.  That's literally the only stat where he is better than Kap, on third down unless you account for overall 3rd down conversions.  Most poeple would rather have a QB who is more proficient at throwing for third downs conversions than running for them, considering throws for for more yardage.  Of course opportunities to rush for 3rd down conversions are pretty limited.  In all the plays Cam had in the entire year of 2013 41 of them were rushes for a first down.  He averages 2.5 per game. Cool.  He's thrown for 112 to Kaps 123.  Thats 7 per game to Kaps 7.6.    It's a pretty skeweed stat though because a team who gets more 3rd and short situations will naturally have many more opportunities to convert them by running.  Anyway i doubt Cam's 2.5 3rd down rushing conversions per game will matter quite as much as the 7 he gets through the air. And its through the air that Kap excels, in this stat.

 

 

 

Actually he's 16th in the entire NFC, which includes players of all offensive positions.  Glad you are good at paying attention though.

The only stat that matters on third downs, is converting them into first downs...

[Goondal]

I coached flag football for eight years for elementary school kids.  His description of the 49ers offense is no more complicated than the ones I often read.  Hell, my last year my QB was a fifth grade girl who ran an offense that was easily more complicated than "Just fire the ball to the primary receiver if he's open and, if he's covered, run for your life."

[pepaw]

My contribution.

 

[Heiisenberg]

Lets see how Cam does when Aldon Smith gets in the game 

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

CK is reportedly a smart guy. That is true. At some point, the coaches are going to have to throw him in the deep end to see if he sinks or swims. Chances are, he will get better at the intricacies as his experience and responsibilities grow.

 

Cam had an "advantage" that Colin didn't. He came into a team with low expectations, so the coaches could afford to take some lumps while teaching Cam the finer points of QB'ing. Colin came to a winning team and replaced a winning QB, so the emphasis was on winning, not on developing his skill set.

 

That said, Cam's desire to be great and his willingness to do whatever it takes to continually improve are what sets him apart from many of his peers. Not everyone has those particular characteristics. 

 

What Cam is doing now is equivalent to undergraduate work. Once his understanding of the game catches up with his physical abilities, look out NFL. Colin may progress rapidly too, but no one will know for sure until the coaches take off his training wheels.

 

Yeah, the investment that the Panthers made Cam's Rookie and (particularly the second half of his) 2nd season, have paid off. While RG3 and Kaep, were receiving their plaudits, due to manufactured gimmicky offenses reliant on the run game, Cam was learning the art of Quarterbacking. 

 

Lucky for Kaep, the 49ers are a good enough team that they can win with him being a one read QB, and unspectacular. Unfortunately, for RG3, it wasn't enough. 

[FootballMaestro]

From my observations, this board seems to believe Colin is significantly worse than Cam. I don't believe this to be true. I think they are very even. I like Cam's completion percentage / more TDs, but colin throws less INTS/ INT % and has a better QB rating. 

People criticize Colin's progressions (which he needs a lot of help in), but he has started only 23 games compared to Cam's 48 --- that's more than a whole regular season's worth. Also, Colin has shown he can play well in the post season, home and away. Cam may prove this but it is an unknown. 

Ultimately, their stats are very similar and the players are very close. I don't think either is significantly better than the other. 

 

You're basing this on stats, meaning you have an inability to make a judgment, or your hiding something?

 

Cam's the better QB. I was saying this all last year, when Kaep and RG3 were all the rage, because I noticed neither one of them could read defenses or go through progressions. They both played in offenses where they didn't have to do much. You put either one of them on the Panthers, especially during Cam's rookie season, and both Kaepernick and RG3 would have been benched. Cam actually shouldered the load from day one, where Kaep and RG3 are actually secondary to what their teams offenses do (though media are not quick to admit this). 

 

Cam was a pocket passer, throwing out of pro-sets during his rookie season, so the extra games he played made no difference. And if Cam doesn't make plays, the Panthers don't win; regardless of whether the defense plays well or not. 

 

I would take Cam in a heartbeat right now over Colin any day over Sunday. 

 

I think you know this to, and are giving it a half hearted attempt for the team ("Go Team")!? Lol

[General_Purr]

Can't stop reading this Kings post in a oldschool Australian accent

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

YUP. I backed it up with actual statistics too.  Can you back up your supposition that Cam is more clutch?

 

I posted stats in specific clutch situations: 3rd/4th down #s  overall, and  when its 1-2 yard to go and 3-8 yards to go. Those are clutch situations right?

 

I posted stats on 30+ yard passes, thats  kind of clutch eh?  

 

Anyway, in each of those situations Kap has better numbers, and most of the time has a higher completion %, more yards per pass, more touchdowns, less interceptions and less sacks and a higher QBR.       Sounds to me that if a QB performs better in those situations, he's pretty dang clutch.

How is Kaep "Clutch", when he's not even the focal point or best player on their offense, where much is required (like Cam)?? You can't be that daft (especially on a Panthers board), can you? Lol

[Rules&Regulations]

Did anybody ever ask him what was in that cup?

[FrankTheTank21]

We like our guy.  

 

You like yours.

 

There are plenty of metrics to support an argument for either guy.

 

Why can't they just both be really good?  

[DaveThePanther2008]

I wish I could find the post (in another thread) that shows how Kapernick fairs against bad and good defenses.  The difference between facing a poor defense (ranked 17 or below) verses facing an a defense 16 or higher was amazing.

 

I hate to pop the Niner Bubble but the packers weren't nearly the defense they should have been this year and it took a late FG to win that one.

 

Anyone know who posted that please repost in here for our fellow From the Behiner fans.