PFF Ranks Offensive Lines

[beastson]

Want to see a bad oline?

 

Try the team we put what a record of 9 sacks on the last game of the season

 

That's a bad oline

 

We were 14th in sacks given up, 27th in QB hits. Solid numbers. We however seemed to do a 180 from rushing oline to passing. Rushing got worse as the season went along

[panthers55]

Since we run primarily zone, 3rd and 4th round CB's should work fine, don't need a Revis type or the salary they will command.  Just watch Tampa and the D that Lovie installs.  Doubt Revis is there come season opener

We ran a lot of xone with the linebackers with man on the outside so honestly I think the need for good cover corners is a huge need.  When we ran zone a big part of it was because our corners couldn't cover in man so we had to go to zone.  We often stacked the box with the SS meaning the best we can do is cover 1 leaving at one corner in man coverage and no help over the top.

[footballisasport]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/

 

Not saying it's gospel but certainly makes me wonder why everyone wants our first 5 picks to be O Line.

 

A successor for Gross needs to be groomed, but other than that, I don't see a huge urgency. Cam had all day to throw until the 49ers knew we were going to pass on every down.

 

Also, for all those saying that Deangelo was terrible because of the line. No. DeAngelo is washed up.

 

We need dynamic skill players, a tackle, and DB's, in that order.

 

This is why this team will never get stronger. As soon someone gives some positive stats, some of you are willing to act like...well, let's just put a band-aid on the problem and move a few people around and all will be okay. 

 

"Cam had all day to throw" What game were you watching?

 

IMO, I believe there are very talented people on this team but it seems no one knows what to do with them. This team seem to have a tendency of putting players where they are not comfortable or not allowing them to get comfortable in a certain position. You cannot have a consistent receiver if the receiver isn't allowed to be consistent.  When this team got Cam, the first thing they should have been doing was solidly grooming one of the younger receivers to be his consistent go to guy and slowly fazed Smitty dominant role and WR. They should have groomed a RB and FB. If you don't make a player comfortable and confident in his role, you will not get much consistency out of him.

[teeray]

Even The Hoodie said recently that even when he watches coaches tape of opponents, if something breaks down, without knowing what responsibilities of each player he doesn't usually know why or who made the mistake.

If Hoodie doesn't know, I doubt PFF does.

[QueensKing]

If this is true... our skill positions are terrible aka our running backs.  We were a terrible rushing team if Cam is excluded. 

[SCP]

sometimes the answer is already on the team.

cant do any worse than Bell.

sucks I wish Otah wasnt complete poo :(

Those fuging shorts bro.......

[unicar15]

We need an OT to eventually replace Gross. Bell is the weakest link so it makes sense to replace him rather than sign him. I'm with you that there are other ways to improve. I actually think that a reason Cam holds the ball is bc his WR don't get separation. Upgrading that could help with protection indirectly. However, I do think DG goes OT early bc he likes big bodies and Bell needs to be upgraded.

[pstall]

seems kinda predictable those that are literally freaking out and making excuses that these stats are WRONG. take off the homer glasses. or at least pull them down your nose some.

 

there is so much more to look at though. how many times have we all griped during a gameday when Deangelo goes down after one hit or an ankle tackle?

 

this OL is bad for some yet we send a qb AND a fb to the pro bowl. not a typical combo.

 

there were times even in the last game Cam did in fact have plenty of time. but that can be misleading if you don't break down that whole play. the d could merely have sat back and rushed 3 and dropped guys back because they either wanted Cam to beat them passing or they knew they could lock up the wr's.

 

 

this team did amazingly well for what they had and at the same time squandered so many chances to do even more.

 

i went back over the plays from Sun and and so often our runs were bland.

 

if we as fans think the OL is terrible then chances are coaches of other teams do too. but i don't think its all just bad talent.

 

better coaching would have done even more with what we had. See Patriots.

 

Think about it. As much as many here go well we just need to add this guy then oh baby look out then why not with a coach? ahh. Not that easy though.

[Marguide]

This ranking is just a composite score from each individual line member. The problem is, offensive lines must work together harmoniously. Just grading each player and then adding them up doesn't always paint an accurate picture.

 

As an illustration...

 

Imagine a competition between musical groups. Group one is made up of slightly above average musicians. None of them are spectacular, but they're all pretty good and play together, so the product sounds pretty damn good. Group 2 has an outstanding lead guitar, a pretty decent bass player, and a really good musician on rhythm guitar. Unfortunately, the drummer and keyboard player are absolutely horrible. The result is music that is painful to listen to.

 

That is the problem with how PFF is doing their line rankings. If they stuck to individual player evaluations they'd be fine, but this is a misuse of their system. 

[IGSaint]

This ranking is just a composite score from each individual line member. The problem is, offensive lines must work together harmoniously. Just grading each player and then adding them up doesn't always paint an accurate picture.

 

As an illustration...

 

Imagine a competition between musical groups. Group one is made up of slightly above average musicians. None of them are spectacular, but they're all pretty good and play together, so the product sounds pretty damn good. Group 2 has an outstanding lead guitar, a pretty decent bass player, and a really good musician on rhythm guitar. Unfortunately, the drummer and keyboard player are absolutely horrible. The result is music that is painful to listen to.

 

That is the problem with how PFF is doing their line rankings. If they stuck to individual player evaluations they'd be fine, but this is a misuse of their system. 

 

This is the biggest problem I had with the ranking. They grade kalil and gross as some of the best lineman in the league but then grade chandler, bell etc horribly. However since kalil and gross grade out so well it lifts the rank of the entire o-line when that's not the truth of what we watch during the game. I honestly think it's a flawed way to grade o-line production, in that as you said they have to work together as a unit.

[PantherDynasty]

Our O-Line is about 10th or so best in the league. The sacks aren't Cam or the O-Lines fault. Our receivers are incapable of getting ANY separation whatsoever.

[pstall]

Our O-Line is about 10th or so best in the league. The sacks aren't Cam or the O-Lines fault. Our receivers are incapable of getting ANY separation whatsoever.

 

which is why i keep saying roll out, wagls, bootlegs. not 80% keep a pocket and hope someone gets open.

[panthers55]

seems kinda predictable those that are literally freaking out and making excuses that these stats are WRONG. take off the homer glasses. or at least pull them down your nose some.

 

there is so much more to look at though. how many times have we all griped during a gameday when Deangelo goes down after one hit or an ankle tackle?

 

this OL is bad for some yet we send a qb AND a fb to the pro bowl. not a typical combo.

 

there were times even in the last game Cam did in fact have plenty of time. but that can be misleading if you don't break down that whole play. the d could merely have sat back and rushed 3 and dropped guys back because they either wanted Cam to beat them passing or they knew they could lock up the wr's.

 

 

this team did amazingly well for what they had and at the same time squandered so many chances to do even more.

 

i went back over the plays from Sun and and so often our runs were bland.

 

if we as fans think the OL is terrible then chances are coaches of other teams do too. but i don't think its all just bad talent.

 

better coaching would have done even more with what we had. See Patriots.

 

Think about it. As much as many here go well we just need to add this guy then oh baby look out then why not with a coach? ahh. Not that easy though.

Getting rid of Shula isn't just getting rid of a coach.  He and Cam have a great relationship and Cam credits him with much of his success. He has done a great deal to make Cam the quarterback that he is after 3 years.  Everyone using the game on Sunday as proof we need to make a change seem to forget that no one ran that well against San Francisco.

 

You think about it, changing our system and starting over again could set Cam back a year or two instead of keep him moving forward.  Why risk it when we are getting results and making progress. It reminds me of what San Diego did when they dumped Schottenheimer because they couldn't win the big one with him and haven't approached his success since then.

 

Finally, why does everyone keep arguing a moot point?  He is going nowhere. Is this a contest to be the first to say he sucks so if he struggles next year or the year after, you can be one of the first to say you said it.  You are way behind, Zod has been banging this drum for a year already.

[Cpt slay a ho]

d will had 5 carries........how is that washed up?