2014 NFL MOCK OFF-SEASON: CAROLINA-CHUCK

[WOW!!]

I feel good with Smitty, Nicks and Ginn when we go to a 3 WR set. I dont feel good banking Hurst will last until our 3rd pick and having 2 backs that gained less than 200 yds rushing and no TD's last year.

Cam alone makes the need for a RB less important.

Plus late round RB are producing just as well as top pick RB.

We made this mistake already. Putting to much value on the RB position. I hope we don't do it again.

[carolina-chuck]

Cam alone makes the need for a RB less important.

Plus late round RB are producing just as well as top pick RB.

We made this mistake already. Putting to much value on the RB position. I hope we don't do it again.

 

Yup. Not a single RB was taken in the 1st round last year. It's looking like it's going to happen again this year.

[weyco2000]

Here's why:

Imo, WR and CB are the two biggest needs atm. OT is right there with it, but WR and CB were the reasons why we loss to SF.

Agent 89 has reached the father days. There's no way that we are going to depend on him to win us game anymore. Atm, Smitty is a good "no.3" receiver. I think that he's going to lose even more steps next season. Fans like myself are not going to be ready to see how old Smitty will look next season.

Tillman will be 33 in February and like others have said already, is a one year ban-aid similar to Florence this past season. Also, I stated that Lamarcus Joyner will be plug at "FS/nickle CB" similar to Vaccaro and Mathieu. Both Lee and Joyner are drafted to play right away, not to be backups.

RB will be a priority due to cutting DWill, but that's why I have us taking a RB late in the draft: Antonio Andrews. And, Tolbert is pretty much a running back.

I'm not sure that Morgan Moses can even beat out Byron Bell this season.

If we sign Nicks, we dont go WR at #28. Also Joyner is 5'8 and runs a 4.55 40... No way he plays Safety at the next level. The reason we lost to SF was not being able to score from 3rd and goal from the 1.

[The Lone Panther]

I don't think Lee makes it to 28th and I really wouldn't draft another D lineman this year. Don't know much about Joyner but I would go secondary early in the draft. I love the FA moves.

If we get rid of Hardy, we'll need to draft a DE, preferably Dee Ford.  

[carolina-chuck]

If we sign Nicks, we dont go WR at #28. Also Joyner is 5'8 and runs a 4.55 40... No way he plays Safety at the next level. The reason we lost to SF was not being able to score from 3rd and goal from the 1.

If 89 was another receiver, he wouldnt have a job right now. But, bc he's Steve Smith and what he have done for this franchise are the only reasons why he still have his job. He doesnt impact the game anymore. Hes a better trash talker than wide reciever now. Steve Smith is my all time favorite and the absolute reason why I fell in love with this team. Steve Smith is not even half the receiver he once was in 2013. I'd be surprised if 89 catches for 600 yards in 2014.

And being 5'8 and runs a 4.55 is the "reason" why hes going to play FS in the next level. You dont play a 5'8" at corner except here in Carolina with Captain. I tend to believe that you havent seen or know much of Joyner yet. The kid is seen by many as a safety in the pro. And, he plays like one. Safeties are getting smaller by the day and corners are getting bigger by the sec.

[carolina-chuck]

If we get rid of Hardy, we'll need to draft a DE, preferably Dee Ford.

The question is would you take Ford at 28 bc hes not going to be there at 60.

Also, Ford is 6'2. Could still be a DE but preferably a 34 OLB.

[weyco2000]

Cam alone makes the need for a RB less important.

Plus late round RB are producing just as well as top pick RB.

We made this mistake already. Putting to much value on the RB position. I hope we don't do it again.

I never said we should draft a RB in the 1st.... But the 2 playing Sunday were 1st rounders. Hmm

[WOW!!]

If we get rid of Hardy, we'll need to draft a DE, preferably Dee Ford.

If we lose Hardy we still have Alexander Addison, Horton and Roh. So DE is still not a bigger need then WR, secondary, and Oline. Plus there is no way a rookie will replace Hardy's production.

[WOW!!]

I never said we should draft a RB in the 1st.... But the 2 playing Sunday were 1st rounders. Hmm

And were paying 75 million to 2 1st round RB'S neither is the focal point of our running game.

The Bucs lost Martin and still got good running games from un drafted players.

Adrian Peterson the best RB in the league is where exactly.

[The Lone Panther]

If we lose Hardy we still have Alexander Addison, Horton and Roh. So DE is still not a bigger need then WR, secondary, and Oline. Plus there is no way a rookie will replace Hardy's production.

Those guys you've mentioned are below average.  We need to get an elite pass rusher.  If we don't, then our opponents o-line will just double team CJ and we're not going to get any pressure on the opposing QB.   I'm not saying we should go after a DE with our first pick, but maybe with our 2nd, especially if get two of them.  DB's in this years draft are deep.  We can go after them in the 3rd and 4th round.  Assuming we get two 2nd rd picks if we trade Hardy to Oakland like some are predicting:

 

1st RD - WR

2nd RD - OT

2nd RD - DE

3rd RD - CB

4th RD - S

 

etc

 

Also, a solid d-line that's able to put a lot of pressure on opposing QB's will help a team in the secondary.  

[carolina-chuck]

Those guys you've mentioned are below average. We need to get an elite pass rusher. If we don't, then our opponents o-line will just double team CJ and we're not going to get any pressure on the opposing QB. I'm not saying we should go after a DE with our first pick, but maybe with our 2nd, especially if get two of them. DB's in this years draft are deep. We can go after them in the 3rd and 4th round. Assuming we get two 2nd rd picks if we trade Hardy to Oakland like some are predicting:

1st RD - WR

2nd RD - OT

2nd RD - DE

3rd RD - CB

4th RD - S

etc

Also, a solid d-line that's able to put a lot of pressure on opposing QB's will help a team in the secondary.

Teams double Star, not CJ.

[Swaggasaurus]

I love everything about it...almost. I'm not sold on Hurst in the run game. I want a powerful run blocker out of this draft.

[WOW!!]

Those guys you've mentioned are below average.  We need to get an elite pass rusher.  If we don't, then our opponents o-line will just double team CJ and we're not going to get any pressure on the opposing QB.   I'm not saying we should go after a DE with our first pick, but maybe with our 2nd, especially if get two of them.  DB's in this years draft are deep.  We can go after them in the 3rd and 4th round.  Assuming we get two 2nd rd picks if we trade Hardy to Oakland like some are predicting:

 

1st RD - WR

2nd RD - OT

2nd RD - DE

3rd RD - CB

4th RD - S

 

etc

 

Also, a solid d-line that's able to put a lot of pressure on opposing QB's will help a team in the secondary.  

 

 

It usually takes 2 to 3 years for a DE to hit his stride. See CJ and Hardy

 

Their is a better chance that Frank, Mario and Wes will be more ready and have more impact then a rookie DE. Unless you're talking about getting Clowney or a elite talent like Pep and Javon Krese were then you shouldn't expect a Rookie DE to come in and have a clue.

 

Look at the roster the DE rotation even without Hardy is better then WR (smitty is the only 1 under contract) DB (Melvin White only starter under contract) and Oline (no starting OT under contract). These are bigger problems fellas and you can't  depend on a madden like trade.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I like it too.  Well thought out and very possible for all picks.  You didn't seem to reach or over estimate.   With Hick and the two WR selected in the Draft you could say Ginn and Smitty might be the only WR from 2013.

 

Tillman would love to come to a defense like ours.  Plus you add two CBs.  I have heard the Hurst would be a good pro.

 

Kudos.