Nawrocki hates everybody

[CatMan72]

Does anyone take Nawrocki seriously at this point? 

 

At best, he's a pawn used by team scouts to trumpet misinformation about these kids in hopes that someone important will get cold feet and pass on them. 

[davos]

I'm indifferent to Manziel.  I think he could be a good starter that you can build around but with someone like him, it's highly dependent on the franchise he goes to.

 

I'm not sure his best fit is with the Texans.  I think the Jags will look to draft him but that could make St. Louis a trade partner for someone to make the leap into #2.  

 

If the Browns get him, I just can't see how he could succeed in that scenario but they do have Cameron and Gordon so you never know.  

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

My issue with him is he is passes off lazy, and irresponsible writing as real sports journalism. He isn't the only one either, many of these "analysts" are basically the Joe Person's of their profession.

 

One area where I can agree with you is that the process isn't what it used to be.

 

Joel Buchsbaum was basically a geek with a love for watching and talking about college football that arguably crossed the line into obsession.  It was all he did, and when he died relatively young (age 48) a few people wondered if he might not have worked himself to death.

 

These days, the most common methodology for draft analysis is to interview scouts and GMs and regurgitate what they think.  It's basically like writing a research paper on the draft.  And Nawrocki's good at it, but being good at doing that isn't the same as being good at doing all the scouting yourself.  Throw in that there is the potential for teams to throw in misinformation to try and influence the draft (though they do that through a number of channels anyway).

 

(Side Note: People think Mel Kiper does it all himself, but if you watch ESPN Draft coverage there's a disclaimer at the end that says his information is provided by Ourlads Scouting Service)

 

To be fair, you can't really ask someone to just devote their whole life to being a draftnik.  Buchsbaum did it because he wanted to, but very few guys today would go that route.  Add in that college football is way bigger now than it was 20 to 30 years ago, so who knows if he'd even be able to do today what he did back then.

 

So today, this is what we've got.  It might suck compared to the old days, but hey, 'it is what it is'.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Manzel's ceiling to me is a short Jay Cutler without the arm.

Too much diva with too little NFL arm talent.

Other than size Russell Wilson is the complete opposite of Johnny FB. Attitude, leadership, work ethic and arm talent.

[bababoey]

If my team picked him, my fear would be is his focus on becoming the best he can be (a la Cam) or will he focus on having fun and making the most of his time as a celebrity.  He's saying his focus is on football, but he has really lived it up as a high profile college QB.  For some reason when I think of Manziel, I think of Babe Ruth, he was so naturally good that he could go out partying all night before a game then go hit 3 home runs while still drunk/hung over.

 

Point is, times are different, athletes are so much better and more prepared that if you aren't ready to give 100%, you're going to have a tough time.  And as the assumed leader of a team, can he prove to a group of vets that they should follow him.   

 

Everyone is talking about Manziel's off the field antics as being the reason not to draft him.  I get that, but people grow up and learn what to do and what not to.  It takes some longer than others and some never learn it. 

I would not draft him because of his on the field play.  Everything he did bad his first year he still did bad his second year.  Is he coachable?  Or is he one of those guys that thinks he knows more than anyone?  If he can learn to take the safe throws and learn to scramble only when he needs to he could be really good.  Like a faster Russell Wilson kind of good. But that is a HUGE risk.  The teams in question will need to ask can they afford to take that kind of risk.

[updownsigma]

The real issue is why NFL.com choose to excerpt only the most negative and controversial parts of the scouting report. They really do try to appeal to the lowest common denominator of fans lol.

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[Mr. Scot]

I don't think we can use that gauge anymore.  The mold of a modern QB has been broken and a new one is still being forged.  I think a lot of failed athletic QB's in past years would have success today.  Heck, even guys like Randall Cunningham who had some success would probably be considered either elite or near elite in today's NFL.  They wouldn't just be labeled a running QB and have morons like Buddy Ryan force them into that role, they would be allowed to develop their passing skills as well.

 

As for Manziel, I have seen enough of him to show me that he CAN be a good NFL QB, but he's also showed enough inconsistency that I would have to be extremely sold on his willingness to put in the work before I would hand him the keys to my organization.  

 

Buddy Ryan thought having Randall Cunningham meant he didn't need to pay much attention to the offense (not that he would have anyway).

 

It is true that today's quarterbacks are more athletic than in years past, but what's also true is that the same can be said of every other position on the field.  Older quarterbacks like Bradshaw and Staubach never had to run from a freakish athlete like Julius Peppers.

 

Whether you can run or not, you still have to be a good passer to succeed as an NFL quarterback, especially with the rules as they are today.  Being a good runner adds another dimension, but you can still succeed without that (see Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, etc).

 

I really don't think that fact will ever change.  You're not going to see a day where a quarterback who's a great runner but a lousy passer is a championship caliber QB.

[Delhommey]

Manzel's ceiling to me is a short Jay Cutler without the arm.

Too much diva with too little NFL arm talent.

Other than size Russell Wilson is the complete opposite of Johnny FB. Attitude, leadership, work ethic and arm talent.

 

He's got a great arm. Absolutely no one is doubting his arm.

 

More people just making stuff up.

[Delhommey]

You'll have to pardon me if I cherry pick the opinion of a guy who agrees with my biases and treat it like established gospel.

 

 

I'm pretty well used to it by now.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm pretty well used to it by now.

 

Riiight.  I'm sure you've scouted far more players and done more extensive research than Cosell has :lol:

 

[DaCityKats]

i dont understand why NFL.com hired this guy. he only likes to talk about the negative, of prospects that really have nothing to do with field play.

[carpantherfan84]

With all the negative reaction to his horrible and possibly racially motivated evaluations he had no choice but to choose a white guy to pick on

[nagai]

I gotta stick up a bit for Mr. Scot here. To the rest of you...

 

1. First of all, ffs, when you're an analyst, you're not gonna think that everyone's the bee's knees. If you think everyone's a future HOFer, your analysis is ass. Therefore, you're always gonna give certain players bad grades. It's not 'hating'. It's not personal. There's no ulterior motive. Grow up.

 

2. Stop thinking that someone is a bad analyst just because they got it wrong on one of your favourite players. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Please judge the talking heads over a long body of work. Mike Mayock for example is a great analyst. Yes, he got it wrong with Cam, and no, he's not perfect. But compare his results with the other heads and you realise that his hit rate is very impressive.

 

3. Don't just dismiss what someone has to say just because they've made a mistake about a similar call in the past. Are you guys really gonna dismiss what Cosell said about Manziel's inconsistency just because he said the same thing about Cam? Why don't you lazy motherfugers actually look at those games and give a more robust justification? Why don't you actually do your own research and say, compare the consistency of different QB's through statistics? Too much work for you? Fine, just don't say anything at all then. Don't insult our intelligence with crappy arguments.

 

There's probably a million more things I could say about this kind of stuff, but this will do for now. Honestly, every time I log on here I want to logically slap someone in the face. The only reason I don't do this more often is because I don't want to deal with the next wave of crappy arguments that come in response.

[fjblair]

Manziel is a tool and will fail at the pro level, but not because he is a tool.