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The actual reason Armanti is on the team...

Sep 01 2012 07:03 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
I seem to remember at OTA's back in 2010 Hurney was asked about Armanti and what was in store for him.

Hurney's reply, and this is going from memory, was that the Panthers would be transitioning him to WR and have a three year plan for him to develop in that role.

Well, here we are starting out year three. And while most of us don't believe he has shown enough to be kept on the roster, it is hard to deny that he has improved a bit as a player. So he has not regressed, only made progress year after year.

So what it boils down to is Hurney being true to his word regarding Armanti. It is not unheard of for things to "click" very quickly with a third year player. Maybe it will this season for Armanti.

We all should be really hoping so.

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Iamhubby.

Joe Adams had one fumble....not your fictional 4.

Joe Adams averaged 12 yards a return
Edwards averaged 1 yard a return

I know I take what is viewed as the unpopular stance on some issues here....but you claiming Edwards will be the starting PR guy this year is bolder than anything I have ever suggested.
Good point Zod. I think Armanti is a play away from "clicking," his confidence will soar, and he will fill in the gaps as he goes from there. He showed great quickness and the ability to run after the catch this preseason. His route running is fluid and looked great.

I was jeering him along with most on this board who aren't App St. grads over the last year or so, but the underdog bit me... Now, he's still here and I'm pulling for him to show out this year and I hope he gets the opportunity to do so.

Iamhubby.

Joe Adams had one fumble....not your fictional 4.

Joe Adams averaged 12 yards a return
Edwards averaged 1 yard a return

I know I take what is viewed as the unpopular stance on some issues here....but you claiming Edwards will be the starting PR guy this year is bolder than anything I have ever suggested.

you've got a point there.
I too will take a sig bet about Adams/Edwards.
First. I said I was willing to bet that AE is our starting PR. CRA, as is his norm. Turned it all around to fit his needs. Read before attacking. Otherwise, bring it. I can take it. Adams has done more harm than good with his butter fingers. Rivera will start AE to save his team, and to give Adams a message. Protect the ball and you can play.

Adams is electric. So what. Until he can be trusted. He and teh jimmyz can warm the bench together.

Adams has had a fumble in the 1st game. (Actually, I think he had a muff and a fumble as well, that game.) A muff and a fumble last game. And I thought he drop one out of bounds against Miami. Either way it is at least 3 balls on the ground. 2 recovered 1 lost. Still not a good sign. Hence. AE starts. He is safe and dull.

But go ahead a believe a web site. You can't go wrong there.

Also never said anything about Adams other than to say he has potential. Oh my, how could I?

If Adams can't be trusted, he will be Goodsoned. Rookies that cannot protect the ball rarely see the field. Home run hitter or not, Rivera will not tolerate losing the football.

CRA, love how you throw out AE's one PR this preseason to add weight to you lame claim. AE can at least field a punt. Adams cannot do that without turning it into a close yours eyes, did he catch it?
adams had a fumble in that first game?
have you been drinking again?

First. I said I was willing to bet that AE is our starting PR. CRA, as is his norm. Turned it all around to fit his needs. Read before attacking. Otherwise, bring it. I can take it. Adams has done more harm than good with his butter fingers. Rivera will start AE to save his team, and to give Adams a message. Protect the ball and you can play.

Adams is electric. So what. Until he can be trusted. He and teh jimmyz can warm the bench together.

Adams has had a fumble in the 1st game. (Actually, I think he had a muff and a fumble as well, that game.) A muff and a fumble last game. And I thought he drop one out of bounds against Miami. Either way it is at least 3 balls on the ground. 2 recovered 1 lost. Still not a good sign. Hence. AE starts. He is safe and dull.

But go ahead a believe a web site. You can't go wrong there.

Also never said anything about Adams other than to say he has potential. Oh my, how could I?

If Adams can't be trusted, he will be Goodsoned. Rookies that cannot protect the ball rarely see the field. Home run hitter or not, Rivera will not tolerate losing the football.

CRA, love how you throw out AE's one PR this preseason to add weight to you lame claim. AE can at least field a punt. Adams cannot do that without turning it into a close yours eyes, did he catch it?

You said AE would be the starter. You said you wanted to bet. If he is the starter....wouldn't he have more return attempts this year? How is that twisting things?

Adams lost one ball....one. He also averaged 12 yards a return vs. Edwards and his 1 yard average.

That website is NFL.com....but I guess your word means more....seriously, find anything documenting these fictional 4 fumbles.

I said AE averaged 1 yard per return. Not that he had 1 return. He also was the most unproductive return man in the NFL the year prior.....so that wasn't a surprise.

and Adams can field a punt. He fielded the 3rd most in the preseaon and was the best return man in the toughest conference in college football.
I said this in another thread but im going to post it here because idiots keep bringing up AE's punt returning ability as a reason to keep him:


There is absolutely no defending AE. He has no NFL skills and that's a fact. You can't talk about his PR skills because he had an historically horrible punt return average last season (5.5 yards per return!) and he may not even be the backup since Captain is much better than him (10.9 yards per return!). You can't talk about his receiving because he hasn't caught anything since drafted and everyone in front of him is much better. You can't talk about him being a backup QB because he wasn't drafted to be one and will never be one and doesn't have the skills to be one. He is just a wasted roster spot like Clausen who contributes nothing to the team.
I can not believe I just read this



Just because his return yardage does not meet your satisfaction, you call him lousy. The best PR only get 5 or so more yards than AE. Is that extra 5 yards really that important? With our O? Only to you, and a few others.

First. I said I was willing to bet that AE is our starting PR. CRA, as is his norm. Turned it all around to fit his needs. Read before attacking. Otherwise, bring it. I can take it. Adams has done more harm than good with his butter fingers. Rivera will start AE to save his team, and to give Adams a message. Protect the ball and you can play.

Adams is electric. So what. Until he can be trusted. He and teh jimmyz can warm the bench together.

Adams has had a fumble in the 1st game. (Actually, I think he had a muff and a fumble as well, that game.) A muff and a fumble last game. And I thought he drop one out of bounds against Miami. Either way it is at least 3 balls on the ground. 2 recovered 1 lost. Still not a good sign. Hence. AE starts. He is safe and dull.

But go ahead a believe a web site. You can't go wrong there.

Also never said anything about Adams other than to say he has potential. Oh my, how could I?

If Adams can't be trusted, he will be Goodsoned. Rookies that cannot protect the ball rarely see the field. Home run hitter or not, Rivera will not tolerate losing the football.

CRA, love how you throw out AE's one PR this preseason to add weight to you lame claim. AE can at least field a punt. Adams cannot do that without turning it into a close yours eyes, did he catch it?


So now he has five? 2 from Texans, 2 from Steelers, and 1 from Miami?

What qualifies as starting PR? They take the first punt? I don't like that bet as much, but I would still be willing to take it.
If the Panthers just wanted someone back there to fair catch it, they wouldn't have drafted Adams. It's completely moronic beyond belief for anyone to basically say "it doesn't matter if the PR sucks. We got Cam!". No team in the NFL thinks that way.
I mean the Packers have Aaron Rodgers and yet they drafted Randall Cobb. What team f**king says "We have a great QB now, lets just quit on punt returns".
I love this place. You folks are easier than the wifes sisters. I tell ya what.

I cannot type any slower, so try and keep up. AE being the starter means absolutely nothing other than he will catch the first punt. Is that simple enough for you? AE may be the primary PR until someone takes the job away from him. Personally, I was hoping for more out of Adams. Aside from the butter fingers, he is impressive.

Do you all just have selective memory? Or are muffs not counted. Even so I can recall at least 2 fumbles. One against Pitt, which we got back. One against Miami, which we lost. (The second punt return of the year, I think.) 1 muff against the Steelers, which we lost. That is 2 fumbles and 1 muff. In 4 games. For 2 turnovers. That is not how you impress your coaches. Or, keep AE off the team.

Adams has the potential to be Smitty 2.0. Unfortunately, he is off to a rocky start.

It's ok, I understand that getting the words out quickly sometimes hampers your thought process. It is after all a media lead world. I am old school. Back when you actually took the time to read, and properly respond, to the writen word.
Don't get upset for making such a stupid post and getting called out on it
I would take Capt and his 11 yard average over AE. Munny did not put the ball on the ground. But he won't be returning punts until he is no longer a starter.

I don't want AE. But at this point in time. I don't trust Adams. You can love his explosiveness. Wish I could trust him, cuz I would love it too.
Somewhere, in a dark cave, Marty Hurney is watching this game thinkin Robinson would make for a MIGHTY fine mid round receiving prospect.

Don't get upset for making such a stupid post and getting called out on it


Ok, sounds like solid advice. Just having some fun, did not mean to trouble you. Please except my sincere oh hum.

Said it before, will say it again, I love this place.

I love this place. You folks are easier than the wifes sisters. I tell ya what.

I cannot type any slower, so try and keep up. AE being the starter means absolutely nothing other than he will catch the first punt. Is that simple enough for you? AE may be the primary PR until someone takes the job away from him. Personally, I was hoping for more out of Adams. Aside from the butter fingers, he is impressive.

Do you all just have selective memory? Or are muffs not counted. Even so I can recall at least 2 fumbles. One against Pitt, which we got back. One against Miami, which we lost. (The second punt return of the year, I think.) 1 muff against the Steelers, which we lost. That is 2 fumbles and 1 muff. In 4 games. For 2 turnovers. That is not how you impress your coaches. Or, keep AE off the team.

Adams has the potential to be Smitty 2.0. Unfortunately, he is off to a rocky start.

It's ok, I understand that getting the words out quickly sometimes hampers your thought process. It is after all a media lead world. I am old school. Back when you actually took the time to read, and properly respond, to the writen word.


You are just making up stuff. He had one fumble...he lost it against Pitt. No other fumbles.

Tolbert had the only turnover against Miami....and it was a fumble on a reception.

Miami's first punt - 7 yard return - Adams
Miami's 2nd punt - 8 yard return - Adams
Miami's 3rd punt - 13 yard return - Adams
Miami's 4th punt - (holding on the play) nullified Adams return
Miami's 5th punt (holding on tr play) nullified BACKUP Edwards return
Miami's 6th punt - 3 yards - Backup Edwards
Miami's 7th punt - fair catch - Backup Edwards

See those are facts. I don't know why you are making up stuff when that info is so easy to lookup.

Where is the lost fumble by Adams?

Hurney said he views this as Armanti's second season. He was basically red shirted by Fox.

You are just making up stuff. He had one fumble...he lost it against Pitt. No other fumbles.

Tolbert had the only turnover against Miami....and it was a fumble on a reception.


So that muff against Pitt, where he chased the ball down the sideline. Which Pitt recovered. Did not happen? Or does not count as a butter finger? Oh, ok, now it makes sense. Until he has possession it is not his fault?

He also muffed one of his first returns against the Texans. (I know I thought it was Miami.) Which Stafford recovered.

Either way. He had back to back flubs against the Steelers and gets a basic pass. Cuz as a stat it was only one?

Or because Stafford recovers his muff in his first game. It did not happen?

After 20+ years with the inlaws, you guys are a snap.

Hurney said he views this as Armanti's second season. He was basically red shirted by Fox.



Haha told you this would happen. I just thought people would wait till next year to say it.

So that muff against Pitt, where he chased the ball down the sideline. Which Pitt recovered. Did not happen? Or does not count as a butter finger? Oh, ok, now it makes sense. Until he has possession it is not his fault?

He also muffed one of his first returns against the Texans. (I know I thought it was Miami.) Which Stafford recovered.

Either way. He had back to back flubs against the Steelers and gets a basic pass. Cuz as a stat it was only one?

Or because Stafford recovers his muff in his first game. It did not happen?

After 20+ years with the inlaws, you guys are a snap.


Are you drunk? I have repeatedly acknowledged he has one fumble. It was against Pitt.

I am disagreeing with all your other fictional fumbles.
NFL.com seems to track fumbles as fumbles regardless of which team recovers it. It has D-Will at two fumbles which seems to be accurate. He had one where Olson recovered.