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Kinda depends how you look at it both were 3rd round draft pics. Nico was nothing before stroud and tank came in with stroud. If both were on the panthers would young have them doing well and starting or would their stats be low. I really dont know the answer to that. None of the panthers wrs have left and did well either but personally i feel neither of nico or tank would do much on the panthers.

Except they literally weren’t getting separation. They actually track this. Why do you think none of our top weapons aside from AT are on a roster right now? How are all of these weapons he had to succeed looking now? Our roster was bottom of the barrel. I mean just the prior year Baker looked awful, gets let go and immediately looks better on a new team within one week. Then we trade away our only weapon in DJ Moore to make it worse. No one is asking you to be a “Bryce Believer” as I said he controls his own destiny at this point. Just stating that it was far from some ideal offensive setup for a rookie as advertised. It’s kind of crazy this is even a debate. Every analyst under the sun will tell you how bad it was.

They have been fixated on flashy and splashy offense under Blank's ownership. It hasn't paid off, but they definitely have a type and style.

They are just JAG role players. Chark was brought in to do a specific role and BY doesn’t even do that. Hurst is Hurst. BY just opted for his favorite TE which is AT. Frank Reich is NFL a boring middle of the pack NFL coach. He isn’t a bad coach. He just isn’t a good coach. Frank had a horrible year in Carolina because we are a poorly run pooshow at ownership/GM. Square pegs and round holes. Random parts. And he didn’t want a unicorn in BY that can’t make the throws a boring Frank O needs.

He's stepped up his game but come on he and Mahomes are different conversations. And to further poke holes in that. Sam Darnold had more passing yards than Mahomes and Lamar Jackson last year. Doesn’t mean much does it? Respectfully some of you guys are so hard up to defend Bryce Young you'll even cape for rival QB's if it means returning to the same well of excuses for #9. Nowhere did I say Baker hasn't been successful with the Bucs. But they have a damn good roster around him and they are well coached. At the same time the Baker of yesteryear is still lingering below the surface and that version of Baker has shown up on a few occasions like I said. Whether or not he will be able to continue to sustain this like he has so far is the question. We'll see.

What? Baker has had more success with the Bucs than the Browns. He has been statistically better than Mahomes since getting there

Yeah, Dalton is a washed and aging QB collecting checks. He gets worse. Bryce on the year, wasn’t really that much better. we saw the base line for Dalton. We saw the bad Skins game. If he played more we would saw the law of averages good game or so added in for Dalton too. End of the day, BY doesn’t have the tools you want for a NFL QB. Simple as that. Everyone largely knows it. We all know the most likely ending because of it at this point IMO. I have or had way more patience for college kids. I don’t care to try to wish a nice kid into something good at the NFL level.

So why couldn’t Chark or Hurst get open with Herbert? Why couldn’t Mingo get open with Dak? I don’t know why I’m even arguing with someone who doesn’t think Reich was a bad coach, I need to get out more.

Darnold is still the same QB and has now officially bounced around the league. Baker Mayfield had much more success both in college and with the Browns albeit short lived there. Baker got a heaping portion of humble pie from that and his disaster of a time here. You don't see him hocking anymore cheesy t-shirts with his mug on them like he did here do you? And as much as he's turned things around we've still seen glimpses of the same old Baker. He was abysmal against us in Charlotte last year. Sooner or later he's going to hit another rough patch.

Just let the rants go. Their minds were made up the night we drafted Bryce and they will do anything to be right. The fact we were a QB graveyard for guys who went on to be pro bowlers elsewhere much be a coincidence. Totally must just be Bryce.

Part of the reason no one wasn’t getting open is because of BY. That’s generally gets omitted. His part in the why. if you don’t have to respect different areas of the field and throws….you get to cheat coverage on plays and routes as a defense/defender. Getting open gets much harder. and I referenced it earlier, best offensive day of that season was the one game Young didn’t play and washed up Dalton took the field it’s always everyone else. Frank Reich tried all he could. But Frank is a generic NFL HC. And he is not a bad HC. BY doesn’t do the basics at a high enough level because of his tools….not just lack of experience. So if things aren’t great, it will go bad with BY. And if the table ever gets set for REALLY good….you likely won’t see that either with BY. only Bryce is going to change my opinion at this stage. Not his believers

People seem to quickly forget how bad Baker and Darnold looked here before looking much better a year or two (for Sam) later. Easy train of thought is to simply blame the QB, but we have to keep building this roster back up if we want any QB to succeed here.

This thread went to poo. CRA angry a Clemson player might get a few less targets.

And this year Bryce looked better than this year’s Dalton with a greater sample size. So again this just tells me Reich let his vet QB air it out against a depleted Seattle secondary. It was still far from a great offensive showdown by a QB that some on here wanted it to be. Again a lot of those posters are now claiming Dalton is washed. So from a one game offensive showing to washed one season later. Let’s you know how reactionary us fans are. I’m not overly concerned either way. Obviously I’m cheering for him to play well as it is what’s best for this team. I swear some rather be right than have this happen. However if he doesn’t we just draft another one. I’m not as attached to him currently as I was Cam. Probably the Auburn fan in me.

I never thought for a second we would trade for Hendrikson. It made no sense. But I dont put much credence in the Twitter rumor mill.

What is the acceptable floor for a rookie QB with 6th & 7th string starting guards, a group of weapons where the only player getting open is 33yrs old, and the coaching staff switched the offense up three times in their first year?

Good they are working things out. Panthers gotta be saved from themselves.

Thank God. Afraid we would have done something dumb

Sounds like the Bengals and Hendrickson are on the verge of working out an extension.

This is why you always have to be developing a tackle and a G/C. BC may not grade out as high as TM but he's also not 22M AAV.

He can't take Dalton's spot. Dalton was a Pro Bowl QB, Perkins will never be more than a 3rd string/PS QB. This is the disconnect I am talking about. IDK what is wrong with our fans.

Yep, makes sense. I mean, we’ve gone to as many playoff games as they have lately, right? I know people want to gloss over our badness in recent preseasons but you are missing how bad we’ve looked. We are 32nd in preseason scoring with 23 points and that’s including many teams that have only played 2 games. Washington is the only other team that has played 3 games and has under 40 points. They have 38 points or about 65% more than us. Our offense, 1st through 3rd string has been awful.

6 pass attempts 5 sacks. Damn.

Falcons QB Ben DiNucci RB Elijah Dotson WR Jesse Matthews WR Quincy Skinner Jr. TE Nikola Kalinic OL Matthew Cindric DL Morgan Fox Edge Ronnie Perkins LB Caleb Johnson LB Nick Kubitz CB Lamar Jackson S Josh Thompson Jets WR Dymere Miller WR Ontaria Wilson TE Neal Johnson OT Samuel Jackson DL Fatorma Mulbah DT Phidarian Mathis DB Ryan Cooper Jr. DB Mario Goodrich