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The team has improved over the course of the season but that means basically going from mega ass to just run of the mill ass. All that talk about building a pro type organization and rebuilding the roster and all they actually did was tear down the roster and make a mediocre roster straight up bad. The only person on this roster who might get a cup of coffee in the NFL is Jordan Shipp and if he's smart he hits the portal after the season. Gio is not a P4 college QB. If he's on the roster he needs to be fighting for a jersey on game day, not starting. I don't care what you paid him. It was a mistake. Move on.

CCU and Duke

Needs a West coast, precision offense, imo. Could be a great one. I started to respond to this thread, but my brain took me off on a tangent, and it necessitated a new thread--just a different logic, if it can be called that.

MHS getting ready to drop some major radical thinking on you all. You might need some goggles. Long read, but it should stimulate some brain cells. Your ideas (your ideas, I dont care what you think about mine!) encouraged. All college QBs are developmental players. With the transfer portal etc. players are hopping from program to program, often getting paid more than they would if drafted as juniors. I do not know if that is the reason and I only hypothesize about the fix, but it seems to me, this year there is a ton of developmental talent-risers, fallers, etc. To prove my point, let's gander (yes, I used the word gander here without help from AI) at the early first round (top 10) draft picks over the last 10 years. This should convince you to stop shopping at Oscar de la Renta and start checking out WalMart (if you can avoid being caught staring at a 250 lb woman wearing tights, a cut off wife-beater with a skull and crossbone naval ring) you can find some real bargains. Blake Bortles (3) 2014 Jameis Winston (1) 2015 Marcus Mariota (2) 2015 Jared Goff (1) 2016* Carson Wentz (2) 2016 Mitch Trubisky (2) 2017 Pat Mahomes (10) 2017 Josh Rosen (10) 2018 Josh Allen (7) 2018 Sam Darnold (3) 2018* Baker Mayfield (1) 2018* Daniel Jones (6) 2019* Kyler Murray (1) 2019 Joe Burrow (1) 2020 Tua Tagovailoa (5) 2020 Justin Herbert (6) 2020 Trevor Lawrence (1) 2021 Zach Wilson (2) 2021 Trey Lance (3) 2021 Bryce Young (1) 2023 CJ Stroud (2) 2023 (borderline, but not a star yet) Anthony Richardson (4) 2023 (*not counting the late bloomers who are now playing well, but too late to benefit the team that drafted him, arguably) In the past 10 years (2014-23--too early to tell on the rest), 7 QBs were drafted first overall, and only 1 has lived up to it with the team that drafted him, Joe Burrow. And if you recall, Burrow transferred to LSU because Ohio State he was (on the depth chart) behind household names like: JT Barrett, Dwayne Haskins, and even Cardale Jones. Aside from that, in 10 years only 1 QB in 7 has panned out as the first overall draft pick. That is less than a 14% chance of the player being successful in your uniform. However, Other top 10 first-rounders such as Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones, have experienced some success after becoming traded, cut, or even being Journeymen for a while. In all, only 4 of the 22 (18%) of the QBs taken in the top 10 in the draft (between 2014-2023) are what I would consider a "franchise QB." The others HURT their team in terms of salary and time. The franchise will spend (in most cases) 2-3 years trying to develop a player who should make an immediate impact, based on draft status. If you consider that there are also 4 players on this list who are experiencing success on other teams, you might say that if you pick one of the 8 of 22 (36% chance if you don't count Trevor Lawrence or CJ Stroud--10 of 22-45%- if you do) who will experience first-round pick level success in the NFL at some point in their careers, you can conclude that your odds of drafting a starting-caliber NFL QB in round one is less than 50%, and of that group, the odds are just as likely they will become your franchise QB as they will the franchise QB for another team. In essence, you either hit the jackpot (18% chance of doing so) or you draft a bust (55% chance) or you (even worse) draft a player and become the farm system for another team that will benefit from the development. MHS's Better way A better way to find your franchise QB is to do the following: 1. Draft a QB when you don't really need one at the moment (desperation). Green Bay knows this--Farve was on top of his game when they took Rogers, Rogers was on top of his game when they took Love. 2. 53% of the current NFL QBs were NOT drafted in the top 10. 12.5% of the STARTING QBs were not drafted in the first round--that percentage is nearly as high as the success rate (18%) for top 10 QBs. We are talking about the most important position in sports. If your QB is not shining, do not put all your eggs into one basket and waste 3 years trying to develop him. Personally, I think you draft one (with solid measurables) when that player is on your board--even if you don't think you need a starting qb. 3. Trade back a bit in the first round and get your QB, adding a second or third rounder, to be used on a WR or OL. The odds are greater that the QB will succeed if he has weapons and protection. Sounds crazy, but GMs drafting a QB in round one are acting in desperation. (Anthony Richardson 4th pick overall? Really?) About this draft (2026) Personally, I think the top of this draft is "Red Flag City," a term I am getting a copyright for because it is awesome. However, we need to develop a QB to complete only when he is ready; let him play behind the starter for a year or two. Instead, we have some 40 year old Ginger milking the salary cap until his grandchildren are grown. Bring in competition. Look for players with solid mechanics, not stats. Any qb should succeed at Ohio State. WR heaven, OL get drafted, solid TE history. Instead, look at feet, his ability to read the defense (percentage of plays where he throws to the best option--completion percentage is secondary), release time, leadership qualities (only Alphas need apply), his size, etc. In today's NFL, however, the ability to make the best read an release the ball quickly are essential to success. I might even de-emphasize running ability and athleticism if the reading and release times are not elite. Why? Running QBs tend to hide those deficiencies and they run instead of waiting that extra .3 seconds. Slow reading means the QB is not anticipating the WR getting open. It means their feet switch to run mode subconsciously even before they go through the progressions. There are a few, such as Lamar Jackson, who have developed their processing speeds and release, but it took time. In my view, good WRs, TEs, and OL are essential for any QB, and no young QB should be expected to succeed if the GM has not. The 2026 NFL Draft At this point, I am amazed how much the bigger names entering the season have fallen and how the unknowns from 2024 have staked their claims. I see top 10 picks as follows (not that they are worthy, but desperate times and desperate men do desperate things during times of desperation): 1. Ty Simpson, Alabama: The most NFL-ready QB, in my opinion. Watch him read the defense. 2. Fernando Mendoza, Indiana: In the right system (West Coast) he could prosper. If the right team is available, he will be the second QB taken. 3. LeNorris Sellers, THE University of South Carolina: I am higher on Sellers than some because he has the skill set to be great. SC may not have been the place to showcase his talent. By draft night, I think he rises into the top 10, around 7th overall 4. Dante Moore, Oregon: Some will have him at #1 or #2, but he has some issues and I am not fond of drafting QBs from the West coast conferences. After this run on QBs, there might be crickets for a while. If the Panthers are picking #12 or so (as I predict), they should trade back and get a developmental QB. But look at these names that have fallen--is anything worth developing there? Garrett Nussmeier, LSU Cade Klubnik, Clemson Sam Leavitt, Arizona State John Mateer, Oklahoma Drew Allar, Penn State Carson Beck, Miami Taylor Green, Arkansas However, if I am the Panthers GM, I think I would draft the best LB in round 1 (as of Nov 16) and take one of the fallen players who meet the criteria mentioned earlier. I do not do so with the intention of starting the player, but developing the player. If you see potential, you build your offensive philosophy, your offense, and your playbook for the future around that skill set. The player I would like to see us research extensively (based on what I know about him)? Brendon Soresby, Cincinnati. Stay tuned.

Remember when people wanted us to trade for Deebo?

We wil revisit this later but you will likely see I am correct about this.

Shredded pork omelet topped with ham and bacon

You guys I think knew we would be overconfident. You played inspired football and we came in cocky. That’s why Any given Sunday you never can underestimate your opponent. I think cause we were at home we thought easy win.

Falcons, second course edition! And here, I'm hoping for a repeat, so I'm repeating the menu and feasting on the foes. Egg Salad Sandwiches and... Bugles. Good luck Panthers! What are 'y'all having?

We had last change in overtime. They put their scorers out to start. We started our slowest players. Should been Aho Eihlers Nikishin.

They might be tougher than expected. Teams sometimes have a rally game after a coach is fired. We've had a few of those over the years. Still, Green Bay's got a lot on the line and a lot of talent. I think we caught you guys looking past us on the schedule. I'm doubting y'all will do that again.

I hope you guys get it done. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose to the Giants.

I'd agree, but they're going to want revenge for the ass-whooping they took before. And they are a walking injury report right now. Hoping we win and that there are no injuries worse than a booboo.

It's fate, we nearly always split with them. Sweeps by either side are far and few between.

We saw this from the Saints--the secret to beating us was to stop Rico and make Bryce beat you. If that is a successful strategy, you don't pay the QB $200m. Our WRs need some improvement. Not sure what happened to Renfrow, and I can see XL doing better in another system--I think his confidence is shot here, but in fairness to us, few Huddlers wanted him in the draft. Coker needs to stay healthy, and Horn might be decent as a situational slot WR with more potential, but TMac needs a #2, not #2 wearing 17. (see what i did there?)

Worse if by some miracle they did...... I know insane..... Bryce's playoff debut would make Jake Delhommes 5 int Cardinals game look like solid offensive play in comparison.....

BRYCE YOUNG IS THE BEST QB ON THE ROSTER LET THAT SINK IN..... WHY WOULD WE WANT TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS JUST TO GET BEAT 48-0 in the WC?

The Falcons are the ONE team Bryce has a winning record against!

Might as well be. A Mod can update the title to "Must win game (Falcons Game Thread)". Kind of redundant to make a new one.

Is this the game thread?

We struggle in Atlanta and they are looking for some big time payback. We are looking for a win, they are looking for revenge. I'll give them the edge.

Ehhhh I think the jurry is still out on that..... Expected goals allowed last night was 4.012 actual goals allowed by Freddie 4. We have BIG problems defensively right now with no Slavin and Chatfield... None of our goalies have performed well and tbh no goalie would consistently look good when facing he kind of chances our guys have this year so far.... Make no mistake we have simply being outscoring people so far not playing canes defensively sound hockey.

I've been saying this since last season. It's not that he can't, he just doesn't. Not sure why he plays so cautious, but it isn't working. Time to try something else.

They have some controversy going on with the staff and Penis. Fans and media are killing the coaching staff. I think. I saw even Sean Salisbury loudly and profanely ranting against their handling of the young QB. He is on the periphery not a big Falcon guy and he is all fired up. I looked around YouTube videos and because it was Panthers vs Falcons a lot of homer Falcons stuff came up. They are not very happy down there. Who knows….