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Baker doesn't look healthy.

Goddamn dude. You can't be this stupid

Shedeur has shown that he is not the problem with Cleveland's QB room. It's too early to name him the long term solution. Cleveland has a owner/FO & coaching staff problem. They still want to prove how smart the Watson trade was & the coaches do not want to put any faith or chance into Shedeur. Why would you bench your QB for a game tying 2pt conversion to run a trick play?

Bryce's parents are middle class. Athletes are not paying to go to those powerhouse private high-schools.

The only thing thats really down is attempts.and yards per attempt. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm Completion pct as high as ever, td% same, int % seems lowest as ever Interestingly 2020 was an anomaly of high passing stats likely because of little to no crowds.

But then you made it unrealistic by drafting a Clemson player. We don’t do that here… On a side note I’d love to end up with Mensah, but I’m betting he stays another year. He was great at Tulane and now won the ACC with Duke.

Tell me you don’t understand tourism tax without telling me

It could be more about parity than mediocrity. You can throw in some inconsistency on the Panthers' part.

He pressured the city to give him $650 million for stadium upgrades that he could have easily paid for himself. When he gives more to the community that he extorts from it then I'll say he's great for the community. As of today, the community is hundreds of millions in the negative when it comes to Tepper and he can rightfully fug off.

Brady and Belichick have always been incredibly unlikeable and have multiple cheating scandals. I get not enjoying seeing the same team win a lot but I don’t understand that as a reason for hating them like a lot of people do — blame all the other teams that haven’t been able to beat them, it’s not like this is the MLB with no cap and they’re just outspending everyone like the Dodgers. It’s an even playing field and they’ve just been better than everyone else. Mahomes’ family can be kind of annoying but I’ve never seen any reason at all to dislike him on or off the field. And Reid is about as likable as it gets for a coach. I can’t believe all the people out there overjoyed by and slobbering at the broncos winning the division over them, with fuging scumbag Sean Payton as coach.

Politics aside I got tired of seeing the Pats in the Super Bowl almost every year, then Brady with the Bucs, the Chiefs filled that void in an annoying way, just ready to mix it up and have a new champion every year instead of these dynasty teams

Sycophants sold out to Young falsely portray doubters as not wanting to win. Lame. We want to win. Of course. But one barely winning season at 9-8 doesn’t prove poo in the big picture. It feels good, sure. Fine. It is more we don’t believe Young, so far, has demonstrated that he is the answer. And having the answer is far more important to us than a single season’s winning record. That maybe… maybe, happens by a game. How many real games has he had that can demand we bow down to a multi year commitment and declare the issue settled? Not enough for us. And that is the big picture objective. I would bet collectively we see the people who are sold off of the three or four good games while ignoring equal numbers of bad games - some that we somehow still won, some we lost - as not having high enough standards.

I don’t really understand the hate especially from fans of NFC teams other than Philly/San Fran

A lot of the nerds think is due to the scheme change cause the Chiefs. I think there’s a lot of factors, the new kickoff rules mean shorter fields, the majority of defense would rather see a team dink and dunk downfield then give up huge gains.

Give up that pipedream. The formula is set in stone. Everyone knows that outside of an anomaly here and there, the QB is the most important player on the team and biggest catalyst to Super Bowl appearances and wins. Within that same vein, the numbers that matter most are the revenue numbers from TV deals, and as long as those go up, the QBs' hands will be in the cookie jar before anyone else's.

Also.. Let’s not mention the obvious double standard applied here. Look at our QB’s history of entitlement. His parents are well off and catered to him big time. Best schools, coaching, rosters, totally elite poo. His path was basically paved with gold. It continued in college and it continues here. He did not have a single competitive hurdle placed in between him and the starting job here. Just handed to him. The Sanders kid had to earn it for sure. Double standard. One for Bryce, one for Deion’s kid. Do I want him? Not really. A little gun shy of his dad’s meddling. Would prefer not to be opened up to that can of worms. But he is having to earn his place more than our guy has.

There is an argument that his dad's name has been a ball-and-chain. Shedeur hasn't acted entitled at all while he's been in this league. He's actually been saying the right things from all the reports I've heard. He's still a young guy, so solid maturity is going to take a little while. I agree that his body of work is very scant, but comparatively to other rookies with two or three starts, he's looked better. He isn't supposed to be perfect, but he's definitely shown a little promise. Perhaps with more starts he will improve. I don't think that's exactly going out on a limb to say that...

Some of this is just brainstorming/throwing poo against the wall, seeing as how we have one of the least talented QB rooms in the league. We need a talent infusion badly. I feel Shedeur has the prerequisite talent athletically and as a passer, and I have since his college career. Do I think he will actually be traded this offseason? 99% not likely. On one hand, he’s proven to likely be the best QB on their roster. On the other, they, and no other team wanted to take a chance on him for 4 rounds, so there has to be a price they would be willing to part ways with him for. That’s why I brought up the Joe Milton situation as an example. He was drafted to a team who took another rookie QB much earlier in the draft, spent his rookie year with them, then was traded before his second year for a relatively low value. But, again, I also think the attention Shedeur naturally garners makes teams uncomfortable about rostering him if he’s not a starter. I don’t think we trade for him, and I don’t think the Browns trade him anywhere. That being said, this is a message board. Possibilities are fun to discuss and we’re here for discussion. also,I’m talking about a trade for a mid-late round pick for a talented QB/developmental QB on his rookie deal; that is the antithesis of the Matt Flynn situation. He had a solid couple games in GB and Seattle broke the bank on him and he bombed big time. That’s a valley of difference between the situations.

I'm content to see how the next 4 games play out. Mostly because there are no other options! These are certainly more important games than at the same time last year...let's just see what happens. It's exhausting constantly yelling about Bryce. He's here, will almost certainly be our starter next year as well. Nothing to do but sit back and watch, and have faith that DM and DC will make the best move available for the future success of the team. They've done a good job so far. Way better than anything else coming out of Carolina for the last 8 or so years.

That sounds like your baggage. Can he play or not? That is the question.

Today regardless of the Browns loss, Shedeur #144 pick outplayed the #1 pick. If he gets a full off season and starts next year I think he will do well. The only time that would have been good to grab him was just how the Browns got him for cheap. I would have drafted him as he would have been better than Dalton as a backup.

The word there is entitlement. And no, NFL teams aren't gonna want to deal with that...nor should they. Realistically, if he didn't have his dad's name behind him, nobody would be hyping this kid as the next big thing.

Yeah. Well you want a clear path you don’t want to be blocked. Loser winner whatever.

It also takes patience to not give up resources for a guy who's had two starts, one of those being against the worst team in the league. As mentioned, that's Matt Flynn style thinking.

lol Shedeur is a rookie and is already better than Bryce. Bryce didn’t have a single game like that as a rookie. Shedeur has only started, what? 2 or 3 games? And it’s not after one good game, I’ve been saying he was possibly the best QB in this draft class - number two at worst, prior to the draft. I think he fell because owners had an axe to grind with Deion and Shedeur also suffers from the same issue Cam faced as a personality - he’s too big to be a backup and teams don’t want that distraction in their backup.