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Horn needs to play.

I actually think David Moore needs to play ahead of XL right now. Or find a way to get Horn in the game. XL has some soul searching to do. Canales tried to make him a gadget player, but we can't even do that right. All the potential in the world but he's a work in progress.

They'll both be on I.R. by week 7.

And the only reason we are 28th is because we gave Horn a new contract in the offseason. Otherwise, we would be dead last

Go watch one of the million videos posted in threads that past few days reviewing Bryce and that will give you your answer. Off the top of my head, Renfrow twice on a wheel route for a TD, Renfrow twice on a comeback route with about 5 yards of separation, XL 2 or 3 times on in routes (which I guess I'll excuse because he probably would have dropped them anyway), Tet on a deep post that Bryce overthrew. I'm sure there were more plays - there are just too many to keep track of.

every season to date a very bad and completely washed Andy Dalton makes a token appearance to give us our passing high on the season. to say other QBs couldn’t do anything is just nuts. Big plays were all over the field Sunday and BY literally couldn’t make a single one of them happen

Yeah, he could absolutely be more consistent. But what QB do you want me to show you how they miss throws every game? You could probably pick any QB in the NFL and do a cut up of missed throws in every game - and they'll likely have better WRs than Carolina. Well, there was that Jayden Daniels game last year where he completed like 90% of his passes. He was just in a friggin zone. Don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. But that ain't the norm.

To say Bryce isn't exactly killing it... Man... He's so inconsistent he is atrocious. Since coming into the league he is the worst starting QB. Yes he had a decent period at the end of last year but so have countless other busts or mid tier starters. If he doesn't turn it around immediately it'll show last year was a mirage. Our drafts have been going so heavy into the offense the last three years, and our FA has too, it's pathetic where it's at.

he didn't have theilen and it showed. sorry. where tf was david moore?

we've had now three coaches in Tepper. Can someone tell me why the play selection on offense looks the same? Why he wanted to force a 3-4? I think he's Al Davis-ing and calling down on the bat phone.

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers? Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver.

Hunt and Lewis on the report two weeks in a row to start the season. You can guarantee they will miss time at some point

You all over the map. First you scoff at seam routes being hospital balls…despite the fact those are always routes QB have to be worried about throwing their WR into a hit. now you are countering with the “you act like Renfrow is on IR” defense and the “but how did he keep playing after that” defense lol it’s a hospital. Simple. You even got NFL QBs explaining it to you in real time with the all22 and telling exactly where Bryce need to put the ball and when.

Highly doubt he comes back this week

Who was open?

Not disagreeing about needing a strong IOL, just our method of doing it. The 2nd and 3rd rounds are the optimal place to find guards and centers, and we've spent picks on TMJ, Mingo, DJ Johnson, Tremble, Brooks, and even an overweight Deonte Brown instead of Trey Smith in the 6th. We just do things the hard and expensive way and its so damn frustrating.

yeah, that worked out real well. lol

If I was Dan, I would be blowing up PJ's phone right now

No Friday update yet. You can always look here.... https://www.panthers.com/team/injury-report/

Ickey still out? He good?

You're acting like Bryce put him out for the game and the week when that play happened at 4:01 in Q2. Renfrow was targeted four more times after that. Plus, a hospital ball is a poorly placed pass that puts the receiver in a dangerous position to take a big hit by being late or inaccurate. Ball is out an on its way here. The catch is made at the 25yd line on the hash. Renfrow jumps for no reason and is airborne when he's hit. Bryce doesn't drift him over in front of the safety on the throw and as we can see from the capture that he had the right read. Could he have also waited a little longer for XL to pop up over the middle on the in route? You won't hear me disagree with that. Would have also likely netted more YAC than Renfrow would've considering positioning and momentum for both players. I like that option better than the one he took, but you're also not going to see me make 10 different threads about it like we've seen this week. Also worth noting that while Renfrow didn't need to jump for that ball that he did run a beautiful route to get open.

This offense is like watching a slow bleed out when you think a merciful death has finally ended the suffering only to see a pinky flinch or hear a faint gasp of air creep from the lungs and through the dried out walls of a flaked throat, making you feel a sliver of hope and obligation to stay with the moribund patient on life support until it passes beyond the void and the undertaker begins his duties--usually around week 6.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/dont-hold-your-breath-gronkowski-says-he-approaches-seam-routes-with-no-fear/381799/?amp=1 Yeah, here is Brady, Gronk and the prime Patriots discussing the dangers and risk TE/slots face with seam routes. you way too smart to be defending some of this bro How did Renfrow get the rib injury and why wasn’t that classified a drop. Go check the game day thread. Entire board could ID that obvious one in real time.

Hospital balls are hospital balls. I mean, someone just posted a NFL QB (who is pro Bryce) breaking down that exact throw where Bryce threw him into the S hit. It was a hospital ball….and now Renfow got the rib injury to go along with it. the Bryce defending is just on a complete different planet at this point.

The entire past couple seasons the entire mission has been to build up the O to the detriment of the defense. we also spent our last 3 first round picks on the offense and went out in FA to cement the leagues most expensive OL in the NFL No real point moaning about the D. They were designed to be weak while we built up a good O. Meanwhile the O has been at the league bottom the entire time. we have an offensive issue.