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I hear you and I have said the same thing at times, but blanket statements are accurate part of the time at best. I have also coached kids who had the "tools" but they were slow and unproductive on the field--and a few adjustments to the scheme or teaching techniques, and the light comes on. We call them "late bloomers." Based on my limited experience, it should be called "coaching." As a former coach, if you gave me kids with the tools and I could not get them to perform at the level of their ability, then I have failed. The coaches know this, so their timetables to win may be shorter than the time they have to develop a player--I think a lot of talent goes down the disposal, which is why the success rate for drafted players is so low. In my view, based on my career as a professor and researcher, my job is to produce successful people for the workplace. I use data to identify central problems and I use my relationships with my students to strengthen weaknesses. I have a limited amount of time to do this before a decision is made about their development. In this case, I would look at the variables (data and the situational influences unique to this individual that may have stunted growth) and not the ineffective player as the center of the problem. The team has already interviewed him, talked to his college coaches, measured him, etc. So I would minimize the assumption that the kid is the problem and look at his system of support and teaching strategies. Nobody wants to admit THEY might be the problem. To blame a first-rounder for failing, you have to admit either you did not properly identify the prospect's potential (which is your job) or you were unable to prepare that prospect (with all the tools that got him the job) to succeed (also your job). So are we going to blame the 24-year-old kid with all the tools to succeed for sucking or are we going to take responsibility for his success as his mentors and teachers?

i was hoping they might bring robinson back but he went to the darkside. They will need to sign a free agent as Evero does not like to start rookies.

Flexibility. If they don’t work out we simply walk away. If they look great we have the first crack at extending them.

$9.9m cap hit this year, which is what we expected them to do. Backload the cap hits. Via @spotrac

https://x.com/2growls1roar/status/2033192496222687512?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

was curious about why all the one year deals. Does that help or hurt for next season in terms of resigning? it should help with the cap, I'd expect.

This thread makes me miss my "old" Mitchell and Ness Pro Bowl jerseys I had of Sam Mills and Kevin Greene from 1996. Someone broke in and stole them aa few years ago. I've not been able to find / replace them.

I am sorry. I must have missed it. I did not recall seeing one (I was very swamped the first week of March) and I did not search to see if it had been shared. I always appreciate your contributions. I would have simply added this spreadsheet to your thread. Either way, thanks to you, we now have a cornucopia of tracked visit intel. We are blessed with knowledge and insight!!

Everyone should ignore that 20m for inj as it's really fully guaranteed for all intents and purposes.

Double post.

But are they cheap and high quality? I'll see myself out.

Fully expect Lloyd's deal to look similar in structure to Phillips deal.

That 20m injury is guaranteed for all intents and purposes as it hits next off-season for 2028 salary. If he's on the roster for 2027, he gets the extra 20m of salary guarantees for the 2028 season. Considering his dead cap for 2027 is 50m, he'll be on the roster to get the full guarantee switch. Otherwise the guaranteed money is in 2026 and 2027 salary plus signing bonus. Can be cut with cap savings after 3 years to what essentially could be a 3 year 81m dollar deal. (He's got a cap hit of 38.75m in 2027 and 2028.)

Tools. If I hear that term used one more time I'm going to lose my damn mind. "Tools" are meaningless if they cannot use them already. Stop looking for "tools" and find productive football players. Stop looking for combine freaks and look for guys that have produced at a high level already. Tools my ass.

my thread wasnt good enough for you? lol

Sorted by Position Player Name Position College Draft Projection Nick Dawkins C Penn St. UDFA Austin Leausa C BYU UDFA Andre Fuller CB Toledo 7th Ayden Garnes CB Arizona UDFA Al'zillion Hamilton CB Fresno St. UDFA Marcus Allen CB North Carolina UDFA Rashad Battle CB Pittsburgh UDFA Elijah Culp CB James Madison UDFA Gavin Gibson CB North Carolina UDFA Daylen Everette CB Georgia 4th Darrell Jackson Jr. DT Florida St. 3rd Caleb Banks DT Florida 1st Brandon Cleveland DT NC State UDFA Landon Robinson DT Navy 7th Kaleb Proctor DT SE Louisiana 6th Gabe Jacas EDGE Illinois 2nd Romello Height EDGE Texas Tech 3rd Derrick Moore EDGE Michigan 2nd Mason Reiger EDGE Wisconsin 6th Kedrick Faulk EDGE Auburn 1st Delby Lemieux IOL Dartmouth UDFA Fintan Brose IOL Delaware UDFA Jacob Rodriguez LB Texas Tech 2nd Kyle Louis LB Pittsburgh 3rd West Weeks LB LSU UDFA Sonny Styles LB Ohio State 1st CJ Allen LB Georgia 1st Kaleb Elarms-Orr LB TCU 5th Reuben Unije OT UCLA UDFA Jude Bowry OT Boston Col. 4th Austin Barber OT Florida 4th Kage Casey OT Boise St. 4th Tristan Leigh OT Clemson UDFA Sawyer Robertson QB Baylor 5th Adam Randall RB Clemson 6th Jalon Kilgore S South Carolina 4th Jalen Huskey S Maryland 6th Genesis Smith S Arizona 3rd Justin Joly TE NC State 4th Ted Hurst WR Georgia St. 3rd Emmanuel Henderson WR Kansas UDFA Camden Brown WR Georgia Southern UDFA

The following is an abbreviated list of the prospects the Panthers have met with. The complete spreadsheet, including the locations and frequency of known meetings can be found in the spreadsheet linked below: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/138yxXgpawL2Fogx5M9OmXTdv2LJvlrya-mgM2YgBOb0/edit?gid=0#gid=0 Reuben Unije OT UCLA UDFA Delby Lemieux IOL Dartmouth UDFA Gabe Jacas EDGE Illinois 2nd Adam Randall RB Clemson 6th Jalon Kilgore S South Carolina 4th Darrell Jackson Jr. DT Florida St. 3rd Jude Bowry OT Boston Col. 4th Jacob Rodriguez LB Texas Tech 2nd Ted Hurst WR Georgia St. 3rd Caleb Banks DT Florida 1st Romello Height EDGE Texas Tech 3rd Austin Barber OT Florida 4th Jalen Huskey S Maryland 6th Kage Casey OT Boise St. 4th Justin Joly TE NC State 4th Derrick Moore EDGE Michigan 2nd Kyle Louis LB Pittsburgh 3rd Mason Reiger EDGE Wisconsin 6th Emmanuel Henderson WR Kansas UDFA Andre Fuller CB Toledo 7th Brandon Cleveland DT NC State UDFA Landon Robinson DT Navy 7th Ayden Garnes CB Arizona UDFA Al'zillion Hamilton CB Fresno St. UDFA Marcus Allen CB North Carolina UDFA Nick Dawkins C Penn St. UDFA West Weeks LB LSU UDFA Austin Leausa C BYU UDFA Tristan Leigh OT Clemson UDFA Rashad Battle CB Pittsburgh UDFA Elijah Culp CB James Madison UDFA Kaleb Proctor DT SE Louisiana 6th Gavin Gibson CB North Carolina UDFA Camden Brown WR Georgia Southern UDFA Fintan Brose IOL Delaware UDFA Sonny Styles LB Ohio State 1st Daylen Everette CB Georgia 4th Genesis Smith S Arizona 3rd CJ Allen LB Georgia 1st Sawyer Robertson QB Baylor 5th Kedrick Faulk EDGE Auburn 1st Kaleb Elarms-Orr LB TCU 5th

not worth wasting my time. the world doesnt deserve my wisdom anyway

Have a 5 year old, and when he's not with his mom, I feel your "pain". But I'm a much better human when he's around. Hope your little girl is doing awesome! Good luck on your play. Random parlay just for fun today for me ....

Brand Tillis......he's either a genius or someone we will loathe in 3 years when all these salaries come to roost and he's a GM somewhere else. I choose to believe he's a genius for now.

If you look at our depth chart, this has to be at the top of the primary needs list. Outside of a true rangy FS that balances Moehrig, I don't see any other "immediate" needs for 2026. Beyond this year, figuring out C, OT, TE1 and WR3 and probably CB2 (are we going to pay Jaycee and Mike Jack?) are on my radar. My list at 19 (in no order) : Freeling Thieneman McNeil-Warren McDonald Miller Sadiq I think CB is also low key going to be a selection earlier than anticipated...Chris Johnson on day 2 fits what we're looking for, IMO and he balled out at the combine. The salaries we just took on and BY9 coming up, I struggle to believe Mike Jack is a Panther next year.

Walker is a 1 year signing. Stone is a 1 year. BC is coming back from an Achilles injury. Typically takes 2 years to get back to full health, but he's also better inside than at tackle. Yosh retired. Moton will have 1 year remaining on his contract and he's already admitted knee issues. That's banking on a whole lot of nothing at the end of this upcoming season. As far as challenging Bryce, a challenge can come from any round. It's about finding the right QB with the physical and mental talent that fits the system. Wilson, Dak, Purdy, Brady. Just a few examples of non 1st round QBs that were able to challenge the starters. Another QB doesn't necessarily have to beat out Bryce, but we should be looking for another starting caliber QB. It's not like Bryce has set the bar so high it's unattainable. The bar is low. The goal is playoffs. Do we throw away a season if Bryce gets hurt, because KP is taking us nowhere. Dan has made some great signings this FA period, I give him that. But replacing Dalton with KP is not aggressively improving our QB room. It's at best a lateral move. This is all about getting better. But this is yet another move that makes it even less conspiracy theory, and more reality, that Bryce is being protected from any real adversity in our QB room.

Oh I think it will be. My point was that we need to be trying to get better in the QB room. KP doesn't do that. He's not going to be a long term plan with a 1 year contract. He's just insurance. This "should" be a make or break year for Bryce. Either He's a guy worthy of an extension or not. Bringing in a rookie number 2 with potential may net us nothing, or it could get us something. The one thing we can be certain of is KP gets us nothing and that's not a good position to be in. I don't want to go into next year with no number 2, Bryce not having developed I to a real QB1, and sitting at 12 or 15 needing to move up to take a QB in the draft just like we did for Bryce. It's not an outcome I see going well for us.

Well it hasn't paid off in 3 years - so let's double down and give him 2 more years of replacement level play, eh?

I've been screaming for DE for months. Forbidden topic indeed.