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Those are team stats which are dependant on the O line, the receivers, the rushers, the offensive play calling etc. They are useless when evaluating Young.

I agree. Big picture with 2 games still to go this season has been a success. The o has improved. We have a legit alpha ( tmac) and solid contributors behind him - horn, Coker. Evans looks like a solid te. Out d has improved dramatically over last year. Ransom and scourton look to be legit starters for years to come. We still need improvement from the qb, and we still need a sideline to sideline ilb and more depth everywhere. Canales also needs to be a better playcaller or get an actual oc and I won't be sad if evero leaves this offseason. But if you told me at the beginning of the year that in the middle of December we'd be at 8 wins, atop the division with a real shot at the playoffs and division title then I would take that 11 out of 10 times. That being said I'm a pessimist so I fully expect to lose the last 2 games and tb sneaks into the playoffs over us. But overall this season shows we're on the right path

if DC/Morgan move on from him we can recruit talent now... the position no longer looks like a dumpster fire

No, Baker and his receiver weren’t on the same page and Baker threw it at Ransoms feet, which he caught. I’ll take it all day everyday. It wasn’t some master defensive alignment that fooled Baker. He just threw it when he shouldn’t have.

He's been good at protecting the ball overall the second half of the season it seems.

scoring points is whatever, who cares about that take a look at the percentage of "big time throws", on 2nd and long, in the 3rd quarter, of away games, while trailing by 7 or more, and get back to me alright

while I hate bend but don't break defenses... the D was in a spot for the INT because of the soft shell coverage

Happiness isn't based on or determined by who you pull for or against.Having said that no matter how much I may disagree with things I would never pull against my teams in any sport.

I agree...but honestly I thought it was even if we didnt make the playoffs. The team has been bad so long you take whatever improvement you can get and build off it.

Agree Although I still think Evero is a liability

vegas had us at 6.5 wins which I smashed the over in the offseason and collected on! This was a 7 win team expectation, nobody had us at 10 wins

I would stay TMac has a good chance of winning ROTY, but there are other contenders if they finish the season strong: - Tyler Warren and Harold Fannin Jr have been impressive TE rookies. Both have similar stats. Warren has been hurt by Jones’ injury, but a few strong performances with Rivers might get him back in contention. Fannin is becoming more involved in the Browns’ offense and looks like he could be a big time weapon for them. - Jaxson Dart and Tyler Shough as QBs will always get consideration even if they haven’t played a full slate of games. I’m not sure they will win, but if Shough finishes strong with big performances against Tennessee and Atlanta, it could sway people to vote for him. - TreVeyon Henderson is a possibility but will need to clear concussion protocol to add to his stats. I think he’s an unlikely option. For me, I’d love to see TMac win ROTY, but it’s going to go down to the wire in my opinion.

Everyone played like poo under Rhule. Come on man. I can see all of the fair weathers are coming back to the forums when we get shitposts like this.

This is poor form man. Baker was brought into a bad situation with an absolutely abysmal coach that was only rescued when Steve Wilks came on and took the role of man in the room. It isn’t Bakers fault, it isn’t Sam’s Fault. Rhule was genuinely one of the worst coaches in NFL history, and Sam had come from the Jets who are picking first yet again and Baker came from the Browns who are picking top 5 yet again. Both came in, both kept their head down and worked while here despite all of that noise.

Most people expected we should be at 10 wins. It’s year three of a quarterback on a rookie contract. Year three is the year you make a playoff push and year four is the year you make a Superb Owl run. If you can’t do it then, and the QB isn’t a Josh Allen or Mahomes, you may have screwed yourself into mediocrity.

Dan Morgan really knocked this draft class out of the park after a suspect 2024 draft. Props where props are due.

He will win I’m sure of it. No other offensive rookie has made a bigger impact.

Which is great for being in games late, not great for fans. But you know what? The only teams the Panthers have really struggled hard with this year are AFC. If we can get to the playoffs, and get a home playoff game, I firmly believe we could get to the Championship. We’ve beaten both the Rams and Packers, each of which we’d play in the divisional most likely.

It’s very possible. Darnold is finally who he was drafted to be with some good coaching and good receivers.

I could see this happening too. 1) We're at home which "should" be a plus (5-2 in Charlotte this season). 2) We are going into this game realizing that a win will clinch our first winning season since 2017 and gain a playoff spot to boot. 3) We seem to play up and down to our competition this year. Three of our loses are to teams that are at the bottom of the their division (Arizona/New Orleans--twice ) Three of our win were against teams with the highest ranked offenses this year (Dallas, GB, Los Angeles). The 3 teams that thoroughly whipped us this year have 11 wins or more (Jacksonville, New England, Buffalo). I will say that I don't think Seattle will "overlook us". I just looked at the schedule. The top 3 teams in the NFC WEST have all clinched a playoff spot...but the division is still up for grabs.

If Shough is even considered for OROY over TMac (or several other players for that matter) then it will be the biggest case of QB bias of all time. The award is TMac's to lose, IMO.

My favorite part about scourton is it looks like he can be the vocal leader that we are missing. Horn and Brown are obviously our leaders but they are soft spoken. Nic can be the juice to get the team going.

Yea, Hope we can make a 'We Win Fug Sam Darnold Thread!' next week.

Bryce has improved considerably this season. Hell, he's improved since mid-season. He's actually taking shots down the field and his accuracy on those throws has improved a ton since his rookie year. Anyone who can't see that he has gotten better flat-out has an agenda and would rather be 'right' about Bryce than see the team succeed with him.

Thats Contra.