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Probably some of both. I think we always had some leverage unless behind the scenes he had become quite vocal about wanting to leave. It's not like he was attempting to hold out or anything crazy. It's objectively pretty good value for an aging but still effective veteran in his last year or two of his career.

Woa there now Pointing out reasonable challenges that players face is regarded as "making excuses" and "carrying the water" around these parts.

I think its clear Theilen wanted out as soon as the Vikings came calling. I'm glad we got as much as we did for an aged wr who was definitely retiring at seasons end. I feel like he was a crutch for Bryce anyway. Bryce would throw to AT when better options were available.

Somebody said noon.

Agreed but if the eighth overall pick WR can't step up and be a big player, there are bigger problems at play.

This is what annoys me. Why don't you do a solid for a franchise that you played for and gave you the GM job instead?

I'm intrigued by a corner named AJ Green.

I do wonder what changed and when though. Thielen went from being a big Bryce believer to lowkey talking up JJ McCarthy and calling him the future face of the league before training camp. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.

I really don't think it's a "stunted growth" situation. But really the #1 priority this season is to evaluate Bryce. So if the WR's are trash(not saying they are, hypothetically). I definitely don't want to be in a situation where we need another year to find out if he is "The Guy" or not.

You can rollover unused cap. How much is a mid-round pick really worth in cap space? I wouldn't want to eat much.

Thielen drew the most respect from opposing defenses and opened things up for XL and Coker. I see Tet now being that guy. I sincerely hope someone steps up to being the 3rd down conversion master that Thielen was.

I completely agree with not eating any of his salary. This team has done that far to long and the cap is complete ass because of doing such foolishness.

Pats current EDGEs are Keion White, Harold Landry III, Anfernee Jennings, and K'Lavon Chaisson. I'm surprised they didn't keep Swinson as a 5th pass rusher tbh.

A bit strange to make to ditch the one clear security blanket for our QB in a critical year for him... But if Thielen was wanting to go, I can't really blame him.

For Panthers to get a fourth-rounder for Mingo and essentially a fourth for Thielen, they did well in both receiver trades in the past year. https://x.com/gregauman/status/1960702708098195841?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

I would like Renfrow back, but not for reasons related to right now. I think Renfrow is still getting back to form. I would like to bring him in for what he quite possibly could offer us mid-season and forward. I don’t think he would just plug into AT and call it a day from day 1. The man missed an entire year and some change. Not gonna get back to form in 4 months. I mean D. Watson was damn near top 5 QB, missed time, finally got moved and has been a shell of his self since. I mean the football gods could’ve been at play there but thats the most recent example i can remember while sitting here at work.

Vet presence for the young guys, yes. On the field, no... Not unless we see a ton of injuries. Return wise, he'll have the job til they feel Horn is ready to take over there.

Think we had to negotiate because (for some reason) we weren't willing to eat any of his salary.

Bring my boy back!!!!!! Holding out strong for you hunter

I'd rather have Renfrow as insurance. My concern isn't Coker, it's XL. If XL doesn't step up, I'd put Coker in that role and Renfrow in the slot and keep it moving.

No. Moore's role doesn't change. He's on special teams 100% of the time unless someone gets hurt.

I'll piggy back off Mike Kaye and another reason I was stead fast in the this trade is going to happen camp. 1. Really high on Coker 2. Really high on Horn 3. This gets both on the field more to see what they have and can bring to a team. 4. Expect to see Horn Jr. a whole lot more than you think you would have seen.

I hope Dolla Bill is ready for the all the riding

So you think with the loss of AT, Moore is going to have a bigger role?

okay fine a little better now