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No one would complain if Bryce and the O were productive and threatening…..and we lost with bad defense. Thats literally what we setup with our investments.

the #1 Heisman winning draft pick came off the bench looking better, I see why he wasn't traded. If he was and this year the Panthers still went 5-12 it would look bad. Really no winning play for Dave

The Panthers have. Frank.

best case scenario for fans is you just play Bryce 17 straight games and you get the clean break from him. . the problem becomes, all the people at BOA that will start trying to position themselves to save face/jobs (survival is the NFL game). And never benching a bad player, well, that creates an inhouse nightmare. Which generally means you make a run through all your QBs at some point when things go bad. Dan fugged this all up. They moved on from Bryce last year and failed to trade/get rid of him. That was the proper play.

I agree we don't need a top pick. But at this point wherever we end up in round 1 we're just going to have to throw another dart at it. I concur wholeheartedly about our evaluation. If it were up to me every single draft scout would have already gotten their walking papers. But I think we both know who is actually pulling strings so I guess it probably doesn't matter? But all we have to do is just take a chance on a QB that actually has the physical intangibles necessary as a starting point. It's always going to be a crapshoot but that's the bare minimum we need to be looking at going forward. This trying to break the mold and draft the NFL QB equivalent of Steph Curry foolishness needs to get out of the damn building now and forever.

Or pick it if it's there. I agree but I still expect them to do it the right way even knowing they won't. It's why thr huddle is usually right more than the team...

Do your thing Ice. l've realized that some huddlers are just gonna complain. That's their schtick. I didn't watch the game live (getting too old to let football monopolize my Sundays), so I'll take a look too.

I'm going to agree with the original premise of the thread, at least to some degree. Our defense was historically bad last season. And, from the looks of the first week, it's no better and possibly worse. We just allowed Jacksonville to get 200 yards on the ground on us. Rushing yards... frikking rushing yards. Even with a good QB, it would be hard to give up that much, not to mention 32 points a game, and come out with even close to a winning record. Bryce is struggling, failing, but he's not the only problem. We haven't had a decent defense since Tepper pretty much dictated that we move to a 3-4. It hasn't worked and Eviro can't seem to coach on top of that.

Pretty much all you can do at this point is play Bryce. If he dies, he dies. There’s no other option on the roster and it is what it is. Dalton stinks and anyone we pull up from PS will likely be terrible.

Forfeit the season and give us all some relief.

I was more getting at the idea that a top pick isn't necessarily going to land a better QB prospect. We can’t evaluate talent.

trade young for anything we could get....sanders.....and bring in some qbs avaiilable and just play rookie udfa qbs and or sanders rest of season see if any show any signs if not draft best qb this year maybe even 2 qbs this year

You can. you will.

The throws Bryce is comfortable attempting are short over the middle and down the sidelines. Short over middle obvious reasons, sidelines because you can get one on one coverage and the sideline protects you from monsters. I actually think that’s Bryce’s best throw, that soft sideline go that Thielen used to run from the Y or X position. His throw chart looks like a shallow, wide U, a couple of outlier throws not withstanding. Problem is the person that was reading the coverages for him was thielen in motion. This is all I watched during the game in Atlanta last year. It was clear as day what Adam was doing. That’s why I knew Bryce would implode without him and surely the coaches and thielen had to know that as well.

Bryce throws short middle a lot, within ten yards, mostly on crossing routes when Chuba has cleared a linebacker. These passes are not threatening and defenses give them up in the modern NFL because they don’t work in the 20s and defenses can’t realistically protect against them and cover deep. when Bryce goes intermediate middle, that’s when he gets people killed. Poor renfrow has enough health problems without that safety rearranging his guts. Bryce also almost got sanders killed on a deep route, but he was able to drop at the last second.

I mean it's more than too early he has played a single game lol. He could be another Anthony Richardson or he could take his lumps and become a better QB for it. Here in Carolina there are multiple problems but I'm tired of the hit dog mentality. There are QB's who could at least have this team competitive. I've never expected a winning season but we don't have to be so downbad we are getting blown out by previously 4 win teams.

Good oline, WR options, young TEs and good RB group. It's not perfect but a decent QB should be putting up 20+ points a game. No idea about Ward yet but a decent backup level QB should be competitive most weeks even with a limp D. It just feels that way because the scheme is so limited with the current QB ane his limitations.

It’s true but last year was the same deal. Too early to tell but Ward would not be successful in Carolina either.

Build the damn team, this team is so qb thirsty it’s been draining the talent around the team for sometime now if Morgan can’t draft well replace him, Canales should also be on the hot seat too. Find a philosophy or identity, build it through the draft and free agency, then go QB hunting we been ass backwards as a franchise since 2020

I also really have a tough time imagining LaNorris Sellers asking to be taken out of a game because he's tired.

XL is Shenault, except he can't return kicks/punts and has the elusiveness of a deer in headlights

You say it's mediocre before this CFB season has been played. There will be a star to rise

Agreed! If by downfield, you mean throwing the ball 20 rows deep on 4th and 1 or throwing the ball way out of bounds on open wheel routes

I can't watch 16 more games of this - you're literally not even trying to win games and what are you actually tanking for? This is a mediocre QB Draft class. You'd have to get yourself excited about hugely flawed prospects.