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Yeah, it's much much different this time. However, I went back to watch that 2015 game because this parallel keeps coming up and, honestly, the first half was so much rougher than I remember. I'd say it's a sign that you never know but, again, you usually know.

I agree. Only thing that comes close is perfectly cooked beef brisket. But that's a whole other ballgame. They're not really directly comparable to me.

Theroetical conversation if the team is sitting at 6 or less wins. Where is the blame anywhere in my posts? All I said is that in that situation that conversation would be likely. Yes picking top 10 would be more than just QB but then again with new staff that conversation becomes more likely. Why the deflection into blame and more than QB? Nothing I have posted is even abrasive just saying that at 6 wins, top 10 pick again, some likely new staff, a better QB class than '25 and they should be looking at QBs. A rookie QB deal is the sweet spot for any team along with a QB on a rookie deal should cement their worth in those 3 years before vomiting to the 5th option.

I didn't say anything about conversations. You seem to be already placing blame on an outcome that hasn't happened yet. If they are picking in the top 10 I can guarantee it's due to more than just qb play.

You're not going to find perfect. There's a reason they are called exceptions. They are outliers that fans use to have hope for their team. Its not something you bet on.

In the event a team is picking in the top 10 in a year with QB options and a meh QB going into their 4th year they are absolutely having that conversation. The Bears just did that with Fields going into his 4th year. Add in coaching changes and it becomes even more volatile. I also never said the record was on the QB. I did say the record has an affect on that situation, just like I gave an example of above.

In this roster's defense, neither the 2003 or 2015 rosters screamed anything but another lackluster season. Sometimes, you just catch the magic. Sure would be nice again. Of course, both of those teams had established, game setting linebacking corps. And we've got... errr...

Around 70% of their projections will land within 1.5 wins of the preseason totals. That's good but not perfect. A couple of notable exceptions are: 2023 Jets: The were projected for 9.5 wins but Rogers was hurt week one and went 7-10. 2021 Bengals were projected at 6.5 and went 10-7 going to the SB. That was the year Burrows came back from an injury and Chase was added through the draft. 2023 Texans were projected for 6.5 wins but went 10-7 thanks to a phenominal rookie season from Stroud. The point being, the emergence of a QB ( or decline) can change those lines quickly. IF, Young continues were he left off at AND Tet is what they hope, then the 6.5 projected wins could be another "notable exception"

I was hoping for something a little more mature, less juvenile, more old school

And yet we were still ranked as one the least healthiest team in the NFL last year. "As of the end of the 2024 NFL season, the San Francisco 49ers and the Carolina Panthers were widely identified as the most-injured teams in the league. While San Francisco experienced a higher volume of injuries to key players, the Carolina Panthers were also among the league's least healthy teams in 2024." "According to SIC Health Score: The Sports Injury Central (SIC) Health Score, which quantifies a team's overall health, ranked the Panthers as the least healthy team with an average score of 78.1." Like I said, our conditioning and injuries continues to one of the worst in the league EVERY year throughout our whole existence. I have more

That's what the coaches are there for. They cannot let 1 player negatively impact the team overall. If that continues it's on the coaches. So the overall record is on the coaches. What they do and who they play is solely on them. Its a team sport and w/l record is on everyone, specifically the head coach.

And the more important narrative... J Lo getting divorced for the umpteenth time

The circumstances of the record outcome do effect players in those situations. Big payday vs try again is a real conversation teams have in those circumstances.

I knew it all along. Two firsts and Derrick Brown was not gonna work.

A guy named Adam Rank is doing rankings. Did he just get that job on name only?

The team record is on the coaches. The players are evaluated individually.

The win/lose record is a team stat that rests on the head coach. Players are judged on their individual performance. Young, along with every other player, will be evaluated on his stats and how he contributes to the overall team record.

They historically don't adjust that fast. Maybe after a game or 2. I just don't get it, even as coach speak 'hiding' their intent it sounds weird.

I remember...but this aint it. Not this team.

You didn't see the team be incompetent. You saw the 2nd and 3rd stringers playing what the sub coaches called. Nothing more. I don't think anyone really knows how the team will be at this point. I, for one, hope it is a continuation of late last season.

By saving some errands for the second half.

Throwing this out there.... Both times Panthers went to the Superbowl we played (and won) against the Jaguars Week 1. Just sayin.

That's a maybe. With 6 wins they would be in position for a rookie at a higher draft pick. That was an easy pass this year but next draft it might be a much tougher call....especially with the 5th year option and extension begining in that same space.

That's a pick around 5-7. I wouldn’t rule anything out if that happened