CPcavedweller

Wouldn't have to be terrified if the Panthers FO would listen to me. I'd been saying this since February.

I was flamed for saying we wouldn't win in the regular season if we didn't win in preseason and its only because of how poor the offense looked all preseason.

Dalton took Cincinnati to thr playoffs how many times in a row? Red Rocket is real man. Anyone saying it isn't aren't really old enough to remember the teams Dalton played on before. I can't help but think that the teams changed more than Dalton did.

I'm not seeing a ton of diversity in these Super Bowl halftime picks. Interesting tactic by the NFL. Let's see if it pays off for them.

The point is to discover what is the issue so we know if we should cease paying attention to this team on Sundays and even during the week. Fans have next to no control over anything so whether or not you could fire Tepper is a moot point. Tepper has been QB chasing since 2020. Wilks and Darnold finally figured something out last year and, for the first time under Tepper, looked like a competent NFL program. So the team doubles down, right? WRONG. We let Darnold go. Like Foreman go. Trade DJ Moore away. Trade a future 1st and 2nd away, bring in a whole new staff and draft a 5'10 Wunderkind at QB when trading up for QB's in the 1st round has been a failure for everyone going back at least a decade and the list of successful 5'10 NFL QB's can be counted with one or two fingers. The only plausible explanation is that Tepper was pushing to make the Panthers relevant to national media today, rather than building a sustainable future for tomorrow. I said it before rhe draft and I'll say it again now, you Trade up in the 1st for guys like Will Anderson Jr., Jalen Carter, or Anthony Richardson. Physical freaks of nature with the adequate mental aspect to be successful in the league. We could've taken Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the 5th and traded down in the 1st. I feel like the ceiling for DTR and Young are probably similar. But if you're drafting a rookie and want to start and win with them right away, they better have played at least three seasons in college but preferably more. At any rate, it doesn't matter now. All of us who were "doubters" or "negative" were just immune to the Panthers propaganda machine while the rest of you showed how gullible you can be.

$24 million for a back-up RB? Putting Chuba at number one would be an admission that paying Sanders was wrong and they aren't going there in Week 3. Young's fantasy ankle injury may be some admission on behalf of the Panthers but you can't also do that with Sanders.

We also gave the Bears and opportunity at two Top 4 picks in a draft with Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, and Marvin Harrison Jr.

Actually I will be watching this game because it will show if Bryce is the problem or if it's Reich's play calling. If Andy can execute the offense and score touchdowns, we will know. And I say again, RUN THE BALL.

Well, they may have got it right with the trade down. No QB in this draft was a "can't miss prospect" except for Anthony Richardson. The Bears played the situation perfectly and if they keep losing, they will be in a position of envy this time next year. Personally, I feel like Young would be better suited to a Josh McDaniels type offense as he is said to have many of the same tangible attributes of a Brady or Manning minus the height. I've also said this before but I don't trust Reich. He had one of the most talented teams in the league in Indianapolis and couldn't get it right. Good coaches don't get fired mid-season and Tepper fell for the "aw shucks, I'm an offensive guy" dog and pony show. Would've been better off keeping Wilks and allowing him to build his own staff. He could've probably hired Reich as OC if he wanted. But I'd imagine Wilks wouldn't have been in favor of trading up for a QB either because, you know, he's a smart guy.

When Bryce shows he can stretch the field vertically, I'll be a believer. You can't nickel and dime your way to Superb Owls.

Ummm...we allegedly have an All-Star coaching staff surrounding him. Coaching isn't the problem. We also traded away next years first round pick, which coincidentally goes to the Bears. So guess what? The Bears may be getting two top 5 picks, they can offload Fields for a decent pick as well, they will fire their staff, get a new staff, and get the chance at Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, and Marvin Harrison Jr. with an offensive minded coach and a great core of guys that can win pretty much right away. We gifted the Bears the potential to have a dominant decade, if they play their cards right.

You don't trade a future first and second round pick if you are rebuilding. That is often why trade ups for QB's don't work. The price to get them is too high for what you often need to put around them to succeed. Would've been just as good drafting Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the 4th round, and trading down in the first to get guys like O'Cyrus Torrance, Dalton Kincaid, Zach Charbonnet, Marvin Mims, etc. and I really think DTR has a decent ceiling in this league. You trade up to number one for a generational talent. Bryce may be good, but he's not a generational type of player. Tepper pushed this to sell tickets and merchandise, and probably to get some prime time slots on TV for additional revenue. We all knew Tepper was pushing it; or maybe not all but some. He's been begging for a QB, and taking retreads and former stars to get eye balls for money. Its not for wins. It's for money. So we've wasted God knows how many resources at this point on QB chasing when we could have built an amazing core of talent to surround even a decent QB. All because of Tepper jumping over a quarter to make a nickel.

I don't think that graph means what you think it means. It's not saying "open windows availability" it's saying "percentage of throws into an open window". So Bryce could just be missing the reads he should be making, often, so often in fact that he is accurate more often than anyone in the event he does make the right read.

They did what would make Darnold successful, which is play action pass. And guess what? Bryce has the LOWEST QBR in the league right now which, to my best recollection, Sam never had, even with the poo show that was the Jets with Gase and Rhule here. So there is that. Flame Darnold all you want but he was Top 10 in QBR down the stretch, and we won that game against the Saints, unlike last night, because of Wilks philosophical change on offense. You've disproven your own argument now run along, you have a Bryce Fan Club meeting at noon.

Because they will "ram it up the gut" on 1st and 2nd down, then throw out of the shotgun. You have to mix up play calls out of the same formations to keep the defense off of their mark, similar to what allowed Sam to really thrive in 2022. You don't run out of an under center look and then go shotgun to throw every time like we saw. There is zero flow to play calling right now and it's like Reich is shooting from the hip. They need to get Bryce comfortable with running the pass game and run game from under center.

So you go heavy sets, counters, change the formations, etc. until you get an unbalanced look you like to run out of. Then you hit them on Play action down the field a few times put of the same looks. They won't keep 9 men in the box long if you can run and throw out of the same look. The problem with running out of the shotgun is that you're not going to create many advantages in leverage, and the defense can take defenders out of the box. Then when you are either throwing a screen or running out of a single back look, they know what to key on. We need a true, under center play action downfield passing game. As of now, it's all too predictable.

Looking through the schedule, I just don't see it. Absent a complete philosophical flip on offense, we aren't going to win. You don't win with a rookie QB throwing 30 to 40 times a game. Hell, we didn't win with Darnold doing that. We only started winning when we started to run, and run, and run so we could play action. We have the same issue the Cardinals have and that is a short QB, unfamiliar with being under center, who won't be able to run 50 to 60% of plays from there. It provides infinitely more versatility than running out of the shotgun and takes pressure off of the line, tight ends, and receivers. Reich needs to evaluate what made this group successful last year and try to implement some of what Wilks had done. At this point, Wilks is the best head Coach the Panthers have had under Tepper. I think he would be a better Head Coach than Reich. Wilks could've easily brought in Thomas Brown, Ejiro Evero, et. AL. himself and could have been the delegator we need. We saw what Reich was with the Colts. Reich is a good man, but man am I angry that Tepper didn't retain Wilks after the miracle he performed last year.

The 2nd Reich has not gotten off to a good start, and at this rate it looks like it will end in flames if there is no improvement, given Teppers track record of patience. Oddly enough, since Tepper began his ownership, this is the worst this team has looked, albeit through two weeks. That said, what worked last year after Rhule was let go? Wilks came in and immediately put in practice what Rhule said he wanted, "run the ball". We went from throwing 40 times a game to running 40 times a game and going play action off of that. Why? It takes pressure off of our poor pass blocking offensive line and our receivers who are probably bottom 4th in the league, as a group. We had the same issue last year, every QB looked lost when they played, and then Wilks comes in, Darnold comes back, and it's like the Panthers are an NFL team again. That worked because we relied on the run to open the pass. Under center formations are easier to run off of and present more versatility. 19 rushes total with only 10 coming from your $24 million running back isn't going to win games Reich. Get it together. Flame away.

My hot take, he's the 2023 Panthers version of Jimmy Clausen in 2010. This is a one to two win team at this juncture. The coaches need to figure the offense out because we only ran the ball 19 times in a very close game with a rookie QB which is ridiculous. At this point, I'd rather have Wilks and his offensive staff back with Foreman so Bryce could throw 20 times a game and we run 40 or so. That would be the recipe to win with bottom third receivers and a top notch run blocking offensive line. Instead we are dropping Bryce back to pass 40 times and, as I'd said in preseason, if we do that we are going to lose.

Well, how about now? We have the Seahawks, Vikings, and Dolphins coming up. Where do you see a win there? If Tepper were interested in winning this year, and potentially long-term, he would've retained Wilks. Both of these games are games we would've won with him last year. But we have to "trust the process" of becoming the Steelers South in Year 5 of the Reign of Tepper. He wanted a QB to sell tickets, that's it. I personally believe he is the reason we took Young over Richardson or Stroud. However, this is not what it the worst. We are potentially a Top 3 pick team, in a draft with Drake Maye and Caleb Williams, as well as Marvin Harrison Jr., and we sent our draft pick to the Bears, who may also be a Top 3 pick team. So not only will an NFC team be able to offloadd their deadweight at QB, they'll be able to draft the best of the QB's and a likely perennial All-Pro wide receiver. The sky isn't falling. But you would expect to see a glimmer of good by now after three preseason games and two regular season games. The Texans and Colts have seen it with Stroud and Richardson while we are still here twiddling our thumbs. Last night was very Jimmy Clausen-esque.

27-10 Saints Maybe Chark will standout? Won't matter though.

Long-term for what? We aren't a playoff team. Not like we are going to beat the Saints, Bucs, or Falcons for the South and we certainly won't win enough for a Wild Card. Throw him out there so he can get his money on a decent contract elsewhere next year.

Long-term for what? We aren't a playoff team. Not like we are going to beat the Saints, Bucs, or Falcons for the South and we certainly won't win enough for a Wild Card. Throw him out there so he can get his money on a decent contract elsewhere next year.

You have it backwards. The hype we need, but not the hype we deserve, which is no hype at all. We. Are. Bad.

He overthrew DEEP BALLS? So he doesn't have a noodle arm? I think you're misunderstanding what gives an NFL QB the moniker of "noodle arm". It's not the ability to throw the deep ball but rather the ability to nail in the short and intermediate throws into tight windows.