CPcavedweller

It's Tepper. It's his wife. Josh McCown told us who we were going to take when he let that poo slip at Ohio State's Pro Day. Then Tepper ate with Bryce, the 5'10 204 QB who is trying to keep on weight but orders a damn scallop salad or some sbit, and it was a wrap. Bryce has a front for a boardroom but that's not what succeeds on the football field. The level of effort I saw from everyone in Seattle with Dalton at QB compared to the first two weeks is insanely different.

3rd round would've been fine. But then choosing between him and Dorian Thompson-Robinson, I'm taking DTR all day. 5 year starter in college, 4.5 speed, playing with Chip Kelly in his pro style offense, etc. Hell, I may have even just waited our Stroud and Richardson to take DTR. There is an alternate universe where we traded down and took O'Cyrus Torrence, Zach Charbonnet, Marvin Mims, amd DTR, while keeping DJ Moore and signing DJ Chark and Adam Theilen. Kept D'Onta Foreman and have Wilks as a head coach. That team is 3-0 right now and championship contenders in 2024 or 2025.

I agree. I haven't watched a full game with Bryce Young because by the 2nd quarter I've seen all I'm gonna see. I didn't feel that way with Dalton who had this team fighting again.

I got BANNED for a week for saying that Bryce wasn't going to be all that everyone was making him out to be. He's allegedly above average in one area and that's processing. Put Bryce Young on any school other than Alabama and he's a 4th round pick. fuging garbage man.

Good coaches don't get let go mid-season, period. They may quit, or retire, but they don't get fired. He was fired for a reason. Tepper has been nothing but tepid in managing this team and at this point I have to wonder if his net worth is what he says it is. If he's as good at managing a hedge fund as he is a football organization, it's a miracle he's not out in tent city California.

I tried telling y'all. 14 rushes in Week 3.

If Wilks was Head Coach I promise we would be running the ball and running it well. We wouldn't have overpaid Miles Sanders by about $22 million. 14 rushing attempts to 58 passing attempts isn't "we can't run the ball". It's a failure of the coaching staff. If you flip those numbers, you're sure that you've won the game. 35 rushing attempts should be the target each week. And if you want to know why it's failing its because running out of the shotgun is a losing endeavor in the NFL.

Or how bad Reich has been. We had FOURTEEN running plays this past week. That doesn't win football games.

Wouldn't have to be terrified if the Panthers FO would listen to me. I'd been saying this since February.

I was flamed for saying we wouldn't win in the regular season if we didn't win in preseason and its only because of how poor the offense looked all preseason.

Dalton took Cincinnati to thr playoffs how many times in a row? Red Rocket is real man. Anyone saying it isn't aren't really old enough to remember the teams Dalton played on before. I can't help but think that the teams changed more than Dalton did.

I'm not seeing a ton of diversity in these Super Bowl halftime picks. Interesting tactic by the NFL. Let's see if it pays off for them.

The point is to discover what is the issue so we know if we should cease paying attention to this team on Sundays and even during the week. Fans have next to no control over anything so whether or not you could fire Tepper is a moot point. Tepper has been QB chasing since 2020. Wilks and Darnold finally figured something out last year and, for the first time under Tepper, looked like a competent NFL program. So the team doubles down, right? WRONG. We let Darnold go. Like Foreman go. Trade DJ Moore away. Trade a future 1st and 2nd away, bring in a whole new staff and draft a 5'10 Wunderkind at QB when trading up for QB's in the 1st round has been a failure for everyone going back at least a decade and the list of successful 5'10 NFL QB's can be counted with one or two fingers. The only plausible explanation is that Tepper was pushing to make the Panthers relevant to national media today, rather than building a sustainable future for tomorrow. I said it before rhe draft and I'll say it again now, you Trade up in the 1st for guys like Will Anderson Jr., Jalen Carter, or Anthony Richardson. Physical freaks of nature with the adequate mental aspect to be successful in the league. We could've taken Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the 5th and traded down in the 1st. I feel like the ceiling for DTR and Young are probably similar. But if you're drafting a rookie and want to start and win with them right away, they better have played at least three seasons in college but preferably more. At any rate, it doesn't matter now. All of us who were "doubters" or "negative" were just immune to the Panthers propaganda machine while the rest of you showed how gullible you can be.

$24 million for a back-up RB? Putting Chuba at number one would be an admission that paying Sanders was wrong and they aren't going there in Week 3. Young's fantasy ankle injury may be some admission on behalf of the Panthers but you can't also do that with Sanders.

We also gave the Bears and opportunity at two Top 4 picks in a draft with Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, and Marvin Harrison Jr.

Actually I will be watching this game because it will show if Bryce is the problem or if it's Reich's play calling. If Andy can execute the offense and score touchdowns, we will know. And I say again, RUN THE BALL.

Well, they may have got it right with the trade down. No QB in this draft was a "can't miss prospect" except for Anthony Richardson. The Bears played the situation perfectly and if they keep losing, they will be in a position of envy this time next year. Personally, I feel like Young would be better suited to a Josh McDaniels type offense as he is said to have many of the same tangible attributes of a Brady or Manning minus the height. I've also said this before but I don't trust Reich. He had one of the most talented teams in the league in Indianapolis and couldn't get it right. Good coaches don't get fired mid-season and Tepper fell for the "aw shucks, I'm an offensive guy" dog and pony show. Would've been better off keeping Wilks and allowing him to build his own staff. He could've probably hired Reich as OC if he wanted. But I'd imagine Wilks wouldn't have been in favor of trading up for a QB either because, you know, he's a smart guy.

When Bryce shows he can stretch the field vertically, I'll be a believer. You can't nickel and dime your way to Superb Owls.

Ummm...we allegedly have an All-Star coaching staff surrounding him. Coaching isn't the problem. We also traded away next years first round pick, which coincidentally goes to the Bears. So guess what? The Bears may be getting two top 5 picks, they can offload Fields for a decent pick as well, they will fire their staff, get a new staff, and get the chance at Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, and Marvin Harrison Jr. with an offensive minded coach and a great core of guys that can win pretty much right away. We gifted the Bears the potential to have a dominant decade, if they play their cards right.

You don't trade a future first and second round pick if you are rebuilding. That is often why trade ups for QB's don't work. The price to get them is too high for what you often need to put around them to succeed. Would've been just as good drafting Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the 4th round, and trading down in the first to get guys like O'Cyrus Torrance, Dalton Kincaid, Zach Charbonnet, Marvin Mims, etc. and I really think DTR has a decent ceiling in this league. You trade up to number one for a generational talent. Bryce may be good, but he's not a generational type of player. Tepper pushed this to sell tickets and merchandise, and probably to get some prime time slots on TV for additional revenue. We all knew Tepper was pushing it; or maybe not all but some. He's been begging for a QB, and taking retreads and former stars to get eye balls for money. Its not for wins. It's for money. So we've wasted God knows how many resources at this point on QB chasing when we could have built an amazing core of talent to surround even a decent QB. All because of Tepper jumping over a quarter to make a nickel.

I don't think that graph means what you think it means. It's not saying "open windows availability" it's saying "percentage of throws into an open window". So Bryce could just be missing the reads he should be making, often, so often in fact that he is accurate more often than anyone in the event he does make the right read.

They did what would make Darnold successful, which is play action pass. And guess what? Bryce has the LOWEST QBR in the league right now which, to my best recollection, Sam never had, even with the poo show that was the Jets with Gase and Rhule here. So there is that. Flame Darnold all you want but he was Top 10 in QBR down the stretch, and we won that game against the Saints, unlike last night, because of Wilks philosophical change on offense. You've disproven your own argument now run along, you have a Bryce Fan Club meeting at noon.

Because they will "ram it up the gut" on 1st and 2nd down, then throw out of the shotgun. You have to mix up play calls out of the same formations to keep the defense off of their mark, similar to what allowed Sam to really thrive in 2022. You don't run out of an under center look and then go shotgun to throw every time like we saw. There is zero flow to play calling right now and it's like Reich is shooting from the hip. They need to get Bryce comfortable with running the pass game and run game from under center.

So you go heavy sets, counters, change the formations, etc. until you get an unbalanced look you like to run out of. Then you hit them on Play action down the field a few times put of the same looks. They won't keep 9 men in the box long if you can run and throw out of the same look. The problem with running out of the shotgun is that you're not going to create many advantages in leverage, and the defense can take defenders out of the box. Then when you are either throwing a screen or running out of a single back look, they know what to key on. We need a true, under center play action downfield passing game. As of now, it's all too predictable.

Looking through the schedule, I just don't see it. Absent a complete philosophical flip on offense, we aren't going to win. You don't win with a rookie QB throwing 30 to 40 times a game. Hell, we didn't win with Darnold doing that. We only started winning when we started to run, and run, and run so we could play action. We have the same issue the Cardinals have and that is a short QB, unfamiliar with being under center, who won't be able to run 50 to 60% of plays from there. It provides infinitely more versatility than running out of the shotgun and takes pressure off of the line, tight ends, and receivers. Reich needs to evaluate what made this group successful last year and try to implement some of what Wilks had done. At this point, Wilks is the best head Coach the Panthers have had under Tepper. I think he would be a better Head Coach than Reich. Wilks could've easily brought in Thomas Brown, Ejiro Evero, et. AL. himself and could have been the delegator we need. We saw what Reich was with the Colts. Reich is a good man, but man am I angry that Tepper didn't retain Wilks after the miracle he performed last year.