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Not a fan of this, if anything trade back in the 2nd to pick up some more picks. Rookie QB with an elite OL and solid coaching staff is already a pretty damn good situation, we can add weapons in time. One TE I'd actually have my eye on is TJ Hockenson. MN just traded for him this past season but they also just signed a TE today for relatively big money and I wonder if their negotiations with Hock haven't gone well (he's a free agent next year). I'd be calling them about him and/or getting ready to target him next year in FA. Schultz could be another option but is likely going to be too expensive for not really being a top tier TE.

Generally agree but obvious passing downs would have 1 or 2 more DBs than just the 4. I can see Chinn playing a fair amount of joker/nickel though I'm not sure that's the ideal spot for him, especially matched up on a WR. He can cover a TE or most HBs.

And he was a literal freak one of a kind hall of famer. Those specs alone now are a dime a dozen. The average size in the NFL in Flutie's time was considerably smaller compared to now. Using him as an example of a tiny QB holding up now isn't very convincing.

Pretty sure he has them both at LB spots in that post. Brown at NT; Tuttle and YGM starting DEs. Then Burns and Luvu as edge rushers at LB

Their frames are able to hold that weight, Young's isn't. He added pounds for the weigh in and didn't do the workouts because of it. He's almost certainly already back down to like 185-190. He's a tiny dude for a QB and it's a fair concern.

https://saintsreport.com/threads/panthers-sign-shy-tuttle.489420/

He started 66 career games in an era where there weren't guys playing at 230+ lbs and running 4.4 40s... I like Bryce Young, incredible prospect and the size doesn't even scare me off that much. If Stroud weren't also a great prospect with ideal size I'd be all in on Young 1st overall. But with Stroud in play, his size is enough of a concern that I prefer Stroud. And it's not just height, his frame is really really small. Wilson, Murray, Brees are all much bulkier than Young. And honestly even if Young were 6'2 220 there could still be an argument for Stroud. Stroud is a great player and I bet if he didn't play at Ohio State but at a different college that is known for creating successful NFL QBs he'd be rated higher. The dude's tape is ridiculous.

I think it was a McAdoo pick. Same thing though and agree with the sentiment either way.

Do you mean the optics or do you believe this? Look I'm excited about Reich and the staff he's put together but I wouldn't be so sure that he/they won't fail Stroud or whatever QB we get. Stroud could do everything right and be a good player but not succeed here. It happens, and Reich and his staff haven't earned the benefit of the doubt on that yet.

Consider bringing back Hartsfield not the others. That's a pretty high tender though, he should be closer to vet min

Completely agree. I would accept Young but I want Stroud much more. AR or Levis and I'll be as pissed as I've ever been at a draft pick.

puke. he would be a stretch at 9, good player with upside but lot of concerns. Stroud/Young are the only options at 1. If we do anything other than 1 of them then my faith in this team, of which I have very very little as it is, will be completely gone.

The relationship between a coach and a player is significantly different than the relationship between a player and another player, especially if that other player is closer to Stroud/Young's 21 than McCown's 43. There is something to be said for a QB having another experienced veteran QB on the team who he can lean on/ask questions and have be more of a good cop whereas a coach needs to hold the player accountable and be more of a bad cop. That said, I don't think having a mentor at QB is a big deal. Having veteran leadership in general is a big deal but it doesn't have to come from the QB position, can be any position on the offense.

Josh is literally twice as old as Stroud/Young... He's QB coach, NOT a mentor or peer. And I disagree with the notion that a mentor at backup QB is necessary, if it works out great but plenty of successful QBs have come into the league without a mentor. I'd rather focus on finding a legit solid backup who can win a game or two if needed. Brissett makes a lot of sense. Also Minshew but he may be looking for somewhere that he has a chance to start which he won't get here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/13/nfl-top-100-2023-free-agents-lamar-jackson-derek-carr-geno-smith-top-the-list/#comments Somehow PFT doesn't have Boze ranked in their top 100 free agents... I'm not a big fan of PFT but often they're pretty decent on this type of stuff. I wonder if Boze doesn't have much of a market around the league and we're letting him learn that in the tampering period trying to sign him to a cheaper deal once he realizes it?

Lol good fug them lame ass team that has lucked into 2 SBs and sucked the rest of their existence

I'm cool with any legit WR/TE prospect, I think that's pretty much our only option early in the 2nd unless some surprise faller is sitting there. Our OL will set up Stroud/Young well but we do need some weapons. Draft a guy in early in the 2nd and sign a guy or two in FA.

We aren’t trading the pick.

Also reminds me of people 2 years ago thinking the Niners traded up for fuging Mac Jones, lol. Lance sucks too but at least he had potential as a top 3 pick. CJ or Bryce is guaranteed, probably CJ.

Happy to see, he’s a solid player, one of the few from the nippleshorts era

Stroud gonna be the first rookie QB to win a Super Bowl and will be the NFC's equivalent of Mahomes and we'll put DJ and his helmet in our Hall of Honor

The last game I went to was @ the Bucs in 2018. Before that was going to 2-3 games per year despite not living in the area. Tepper and Rhule were such a disaster and my interest in the team definitely dwindled. This offseason so far is potentially saving it. Haven't bought a jersey since McCaffrey in 2018 either. Stroud/Young will be my next one. Almost got a Chinn jersey but didn't wind up pulling the trigger.

Ok but DJ in Chicago may not be as good as DJ in Carolina...

Get 1 or 2 of Brandon Cooks, D Hopkins, Odell, Hardman. And draft one in the 2nd round. Or could draft a tight end or go after Schultz. Having a top tier tight end is every bit as important for a young QB as a WR.

Pretty much my exact viewpoint as well. We finally have something to be truly excited about — a legit HC and top rookie QB.