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Which ones?

His 2023 salary (32.9mil) + 7.5mil of his 2024 salary (41.9mil) become guaranteed for injury on Feb. 15th. I’d consider rearranging cap if it wasn’t for the 7.5mil guarantee in 2024 bc he could just be cut with no issues if he didn’t play like a top 10 QB next year.

Well, we are hiring a new coach and most on the list are young, innovative offensive minds.

Agree except feel Ben Johnson is up there along side Steichen.

I’d agree except Foreman and Hubbard combined to rush for more yards per carry than CMC did while he was here this year. So it’s more like your new woman is prettier than your cheating wife. Yea, it still stings that it happened, but look what you have now. Plus you got more money in the divorce.

Signing Carr sounds like a great way to stay mediocre and prevent having a chance at a QB in the 2024 draft.

Mahomes listed at 6’2, 225 Young listed at 6’0, 194

He was pretty durable in the SEC for three years. Injured his shoulder against Arkansas trying to throw as he hit the ground awkwardly. Hardly missed any game time as Alabama's QB. I believe he's the best QB prospect in this class and will be the diet version of Mahomes in the NFL.

Yes, if a redraft of their draft class were possible, about two thirds of starting tight ends (1 per team) would be selected in the first round (mostly late first).

~2/3 of NFL starting TEs

I quickly googled re-draft articles from 2017-2019. There were 5 TEs taken in the first round of those re-drafts. George Kittle, Evan Engram, Noah Fant, TJ Hockenson, and Irv Smith was borderline first. According to that, on average there are 1-2 TEs each draft worthy of a first round selection. Sure, that will vary from year to year and it may be closer to 1 each draft. I agree with kungfoo that you better nail that pick.

I disagree. The two you mention would be drafted in the top 10, and plenty more would be re-drafted in the first round of their respective drafts.

The answer to that dilemma is limiting the guaranteed portion of the contract to 3 years max and prioritizing roster bonuses over huge signing bonuses for years 4+

My whole point was there ARE tight ends worthy of a first round selection. Yes, it's more risky than other positions. But, if you nail the pick it's worth it. Showing how few tight ends chosen in the first round are worth it would prove my point they weren't valued appropriately.

I addressed your first sentence above. For me, there's more wiggle room to first round value than 'has to be a Kelce or Kittle.' Re: Pitts...I think one of the biggest issues the NFL scouts have drafting TEs in the 1st is they fall in love with the flashy receiving threats. They should be looking for the savvy, well-rounded TEs who utlilize head fakes well and find soft spots in zones. It's not a perfect metaphor, but it's similar to NBA teams prioritizing a long center 'prototype' who can only dunk over the crafty, below the rim guys who offer more production.

I'm not necessarily saying they have to be a Kelce or Kittle to draft in the first round. You have to ask what helps our team next year and over the next four to five. A top notch tight end, if chosen correctly, upgrades one of our biggest weaknesses and makes things easier on the QB we bring in this year or next. That allows for a little more wiggle room than just top 3-5 in the league or bust, imo.

You could argue that evaluations were just off. Tight ends like Kelce and Kittle certainly hold a first round value. The scouts just didn't identify their talents/potential accurately. I agree that it seems good TEs can typically be found on day 2 of the draft, but that doesn't mean a TE will never hold 1st round value.

The current version. The closest comparison I can think of would be Martellus Bennett. I limited myself to just players on the lists in this thread though.

Agree with you. The one benefit to Horn's injuries has been keeping him off lists like this, which lowers his fifth year option price. Otherwise, he'd be on it. If he continues his current level of play, I hope Horn is a Panther through 2030.

Horn is just as good when healthy. I realize the "when healthy" is crucial. I'm not disappointed with the Horn draft pick at all yet.

Is there a situation where a pre/post June assignment can make one of the years apply in '23 and the rest hit in '24?

Maybe a good lesson to stick it out with Tremble. I think he's worthy of TE2 consideration after his rookie contract, and he may develop beyond that. He's still only 22 years old.

I'd take Young over Fields all day.

$3,812,000? Trying to get up to speed on how these contracts work.

More so than ACLs and similar injuries, my subjective view is more guys are getting knocked out or close to it when getting slammed on turf surfaces vs. grass.