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Yeah, I thought it looked gross lived but then when they showed where he kicked it from on the replay, it got worse. That looked like fuging Eddy Piniero out there.

Also, Fitzgerald couldn’t have kicked a more Panthers-esque kick. I have not been as underwhelmed by another converted 50+ yarder in my life.

At least he has that going for him. Hopefully it will serve him well when he’s selling insurance next year.

Same poo Bryce did before his miracle run last season. Running around like a chicken with his head cut off, seems frazzled, missing open receivers, then the receivers he threw to he threw to poorly. Nothing to be hopeful or optimistic about whatsoever about the starting offense. Then Dalton came in, and as I said earlier in the thread, it’s time to face it a between the 3 guys we have at the position, QB is the biggest problem on offense. Period.

Yeah, makes sense for them. And also gives the NFL time to create a sensational headline that’s profitable for them and fun for the masses while avoiding perennial shitboxes like our organization. watch - 2027 NFL Draft: with the #1 pick in the 2027 NFL draft, the New Orleans Saints select Arch Manning, QB, Texas.

This statement is true. And is also incredibly sad. a non-NFL QB is an improvement over our first overall pick and 10+ year NFL starter. carolina panthers football, baby! *Tepper throws a drink on a fan somewhere*

That was short lived.

I have also considered this. Knowing the Manning’s history, I actually think this isn’t possible, but is actually likely… And I wouldn’t blame them.

The rule has always been, if it hits your hands, you should catch it. But both Tet and JT’s drops were badly placed. If they were out in front of them, allowing them to run to them and keep separation between them and the defenders, those are easy catches. both those drives, Bryce looked like the Bryce of the first year and a half of his career. A point guard knows where and when to distribute the ball, and they get to that spot with precision. He isn’t doing that.

The fact Smitty said the receivers were open every play, but Bryce couldn’t get it to them is exactly why I’ve been saying we should’ve added competition at QB the last two years. Man, this poo is gonna be rough… but maybe we get Arch?

That’s gonna suck if he is indeed done, but that one play Bryce scrambled out to the right, Moton got PLOWED. He was laying on his back with his helmet knocked off. It didn’t look good.

off a fumbled snap, he scrambled for what? 5 yards? the fact he was able to do that speaks to how bad the defense is.

It’s time people accept it - QB is the biggest problem on the offense.

I appreciate the argument, and ill let y'all handle the numbers... But, I'm gonna toss my hat in the ring with the "eye test." XL doesn't look like a bust. Period. I think bringing up Mingo and TMJ were apt comparisons because of where they were drafted and the expectations, and both were complete busts. TMJ looked useable in his latter years here, but still struggled to make significant strides. XL had utility as a rookie that neither Mingo or TMJ had. Yes, XL left some significant plays on the field as a rookie, but he also made some that the other guys he's being comped to didn't and couldn't, and again, this is all while trying to find his footing in an offense with a rookie coach, rookie OC, and a QB position in flux. And look at what XL is doing in camp this year... He is making plays. The drops don't seem to be a thing. He is creating separation as a receiver, not relying on motion or gadgetry, and he has improved significantly as a route runner. XL will be just fine and is a great piece to a young, deep receiving corps.

And I can see that perspective too. And I’m aware of the “big-time throw” stats and such from PFF down the stretch last season - I think for me, it’s hard to not think back to what we saw prior to that stretch. Is that the norm or the exception? Games like that last one against ATL, how he played against the Chiefs, those are really encouraging, but again, which Bryce is the player we should expect to see moving forward. After a season and a half of horrid play, it’s hard to just pretend that didn’t happen. But again, for the reasons you mentioned, I’m really hoping he has hit his stride. And yet, at the same time, I’m haunted by the ghost of Cam, because once you’ve had a QB that can run around people, run over people, jump over people, carry 11 defenders, and throw lasers 70 yards downfield, it’s hard to say, “yes. This average looking gentleman with below average pro QB measurables will be our franchise QB.” But again, hoping for the best. I know how much confidence can make a difference in a player’s game.

The receivers definitely play a role in it, but Bryce’s deep passes until that end of season stretch last year couldn’t have been caught by Megatron, and I don’t mean Calvin Johnson. I recall so many of his deep attempts not even being close, so the receiver didn’t even have a chance. Many landing 5-10 yards out of bounds. So it’s a balance. Yes, guys like Colston helped Brees hit that next level, but Brees looked a helluva lot more competent and accurate even before that period of his career. He got the contract in NO for a reason. The trajectory Bryce was on until the end of last season, he was quickly on his way to being out of the league by the end of his rookie contract. So, that is also why I’m still skeptical about him maintaining or building on that stretch last season. If you don’t have a big arm, you have to be accurate at every level of the field, and Bryce, to this point has not been consistently. So, I brought up the Colston example to allow my repressed optimist out for some sun, but when I look at Brees resume, even just in San Diego, compared to Bryce’s first two years… let’s just say, the organization pushing the hype train about them being all in on BY because the last 7 games of last season is who he is, has been, and will be, is being awfully generous. I truly hope he has turned a corner and the new weapons will get him there, but I am not confident in that based off the greater sample of work he’s given us. In reality, my fear is, we are just continuing to spin our wheels and will have to find another rookie QB in the next two drafts and hope that one hits. It’s why I was adamant about drafting guys like Hooker, Milton, or Sanders to hedge our bet on BY. But again, I’m hoping for the best.

Same.

Yeah, and the one thing both Russ and Baker have without a doubt is arm strength and the ability to throw the ball deep. It’s why the more I watched Bryce in college and the hype started falling off of him, you’re able to see he really just distributed the ball to insane playmakers. He didn’t wow you with throws, but he could with scrambles and extending plays - but in the NFL, if you can’t keep a defense honest with deep passes, it’s like trying to bucket water out of a sinking ship. It’s why I still am very skeptical of the end of season stretch he had last year. Yeah, there were some impressive statistics in there, but unless he learns how to consistently connect on the deep game, he will regress back to the mean. But I will say - Bryce, to me, was always a better comp to Drew Brees. He is just a more mobile version. And Drew had enough of an arm to keep a defense honest, but he was by no means a gunslinger or renowned for his arm talent. I think arm strength-wise, he and Bryce are very similar - the difference is, Drew’s accuracy in the deep ball. Even if you can only manage 30-40 yard chunks occasionally, it maximizing the efficiency of them. And I will say, when Brees really seemed to hit another level was when they added a guy like Colston - a big possession receiver he could throw it up to. And we just took Tet… so again, hoping for the best.

The fact that XL put up solid numbers as a rookie despite his drop/focus issues and the fact that he came in as a pretty raw/weak route runner is a positive though. It shows he can do damage when he does get the ball. This is why i still have hope for him... A lot of people were comp'ing him to DK when we drafted him, but I think he is more like a bigger, faster Deebo. You just have to get the ball in his hands and let him do damage... That being said, absolutely, as a pure wide receiver, Coker without a doubt is the better receiver. But, XL is a unique, intriguing piece. He came in this year and has improved his route running tremendously, and from what I've read, seems to have less issue with drops, so if he is locked in with that stuff, best case scenario is both Coker and XL eat this year and then we still have Tet, Renfrow, and JHJ bringing different elements of their own. It's really gonna be on Canales and Bryce. I say all that to say, in summary, Coker is the better WR as of now and honestly, might remain so, but XL is a weapon in his own right - his numbers from his rookie season indicate he isn't just some washout or bust.

I feel like Norman wasn’t playing not because he wasn’t good enough, but it seemed more “teaching you a lesson” -type stuff. Because he always flashed from the beginning, every time he saw the field. I think remember being pissed that we weren’t playing him significantly more early. Tbh, he really shouldn’t have been inactive those first couple years.

It’s funny, bc it seemed like the entire board believed he was a genius after that first season, but ever since, the tide has dramatically turned. I too was drinking the kool-aid after that first season, but idk wtf has happened… it’s not just injuries. Every year coaches make more with less, injuries included. There is something wrong schematically and strategically. And tbh, our defense just doesn’t look well-coached, which isn’t just on Evero but the position coaches. Poor technique, poor angles, poor gap/assignment discipline, knocking each other out of plays constantly. Idk what it is exactly, but it’s not encouraging to say the least.

Saw the highlight. What a fuging weapon. Why can’t we have nice things?

Not a TMZ type of guy, but are they really split? I remember he used to always post about her and how much she meant to him, but all of his posts lately look like he is living in his own or single.

Who is 39? He got some juice!

Also, for the record, I said we should sign Huntley 2 years ago. he just came in off the couch and is also dotting our defense up. Dalton and Plummer been employed, no breaks, and look like pure poo.